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Old 09-05-2006, 05:15 PM
bernie bernie is offline
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I don't 4-bet the river -- opening myself up to a 5-bet sucks, since trip jacks will never be good when he 5-bets.

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Given the player were talking about, I wouldn't say it'd never be good.

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Old 09-05-2006, 05:33 PM
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Given the player were talking about, I wouldn't say it'd never be good.

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I agree.

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Old 09-05-2006, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: Live hand against a maniac (probably and internet player :-). )

But you give him too much credit. He had Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I took chance by not charging him to draw. He may have folded had I raised the flop however so there is some value in letting maniacs bluff off their money

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Old 09-05-2006, 07:39 PM
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I took chance by not charging him to draw. He may have folded had I raised the flop however so there is some value in letting maniacs bluff off their money

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Raising the flop or turn and letting the maniac bluff 3bet is the new way to let maniacs bluff off their money.

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Old 09-05-2006, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Live hand against a maniac (probably and internet player :-). )

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But you give him too much credit. He had Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I took chance by not charging him to draw. He may have folded had I raised the flop however so there is some value in letting maniacs bluff off their money



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No way a maniac folds with an overcard to a single flop raise. That is why you should raise the flop. This may seem like results orientated analysis but I prefer a straightforward approach.
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Live hand against a maniac (probably and internet player :-). )

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But you give him too much credit. He had Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I took chance by not charging him to draw. He may have folded had I raised the flop however so there is some value in letting maniacs bluff off their money



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HU I'd agree more. This was 3-way going to the flop. You seem to be ignoring that.

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Old 09-06-2006, 12:37 PM
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I don't 4-bet the river -- opening myself up to a 5-bet sucks, since trip jacks will never be good when he 5-bets.

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Have you ever played casino poker against a maniac? Your read is miles away from reality.

Against a true maniac (not just a pf maniac, post-flop lag), I'd go anywhere between 4 or 5 and a [censored] of bets on the river. Mostly it would depend on how confident I am that he'd go nuts with a pair, or worse trip jacks, and also how likely I think it is that he'll go broke before I get a better opportunity. If he's anything resembling short, I take him to the felt. If he's deep, I'd see how I felt about things as they went along.

Worst case scenario, I lose the pot, but my chips are still live and in play, so all is not lost.
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