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#12
07-05-2006, 06:16 PM
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Re: New $5 drop at Bay 101... please stab me.
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Photoc, I think he's right. he's saying the rake is capped at $5 and it hits the cap 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] 100% of the time vs 100% rake is slightly different, but now I understand after re-reading his post. This is pretty standard for Cali games though. Max rake on the flop in almost every game, unless it's a time charge of course. I never liked this type of rake structure as it's clearly the highest or near the highest in the country. 
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#16
07-05-2006, 06:48 PM
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Re: New $5 drop at Bay 101... please stab me.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This sounds cheap enough. Not as cheap as places used to be, but I don't think it will drive away players. [/ QUOTE ] Bay Area players are not very price sensitive compared to Tunica or Vegas, imo. I think the rake would have to increase significantly more before people REALLY took notice. The one time I played 20/40 since the change, I did notice that when 6-8 handed, the game had more chops than previously. This may be a reflection on the rake, or just the table dynamic that day; I'm somewhat unsure. [/ QUOTE ] My experience has always been that a higher rake leads to better games. When the rake go up some people are priced out of the market (or marginal winners become lsoers and quit). The people that are priced out of the market tend to be ones that make for a bad game (they are kind of seat fillers, they play close to break even poker but take up a seat that makes the game "less fun"). [/ QUOTE ] I think your experience will be proven wrong in this instance. It'll take awhile to evaluate this change with lots of regulars in Vegas for the next month, but I have already seen the games tighten up significantly (at the 100-200 and 40-80 levels), even with the same faces. I really think this change may disrupt the flow of things enough to kill on of the most successful top-sections in all of poker. I frankly don't understand it, and time is much more better for the bigger games. In this case, people don't want to play short so the games break, and they play a lot tighter when the game is full. This is bad.
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#17
07-05-2006, 07:24 PM
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Re: New $5 drop at Bay 101... please stab me.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This sounds cheap enough. Not as cheap as places used to be, but I don't think it will drive away players. [/ QUOTE ] Bay Area players are not very price sensitive compared to Tunica or Vegas, imo. I think the rake would have to increase significantly more before people REALLY took notice. The one time I played 20/40 since the change, I did notice that when 6-8 handed, the game had more chops than previously. This may be a reflection on the rake, or just the table dynamic that day; I'm somewhat unsure. [/ QUOTE ] My experience has always been that a higher rake leads to better games. When the rake go up some people are priced out of the market (or marginal winners become lsoers and quit). The people that are priced out of the market tend to be ones that make for a bad game (they are kind of seat fillers, they play close to break even poker but take up a seat that makes the game "less fun"). [/ QUOTE ] I think your experience will be proven wrong in this instance. It'll take awhile to evaluate this change with lots of regulars in Vegas for the next month, but I have already seen the games tighten up significantly (at the 100-200 and 40-80 levels), even with the same faces. I really think this change may disrupt the flow of things enough to kill on of the most successful top-sections in all of poker. I frankly don't understand it, and time is much more better for the bigger games. In this case, people don't want to play short so the games break, and they play a lot tighter when the game is full. This is bad. [/ QUOTE ] These points are accurate and if the previous structure was a time charge this is a bad change as a time charge encourages loose play etc. I was thinking strictly when rakes go up, not when the rake structure changes. Changing from time to a drop from the pot is bad for games. Generally raising the drop is good for games (at least short term).
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#19
07-05-2006, 08:04 PM
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Re: New $5 drop at Bay 101... please stab me.
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[ QUOTE ] I stopped by yesterday and played the 2,3,5 spread limit and they take $5 even without a flop. [/ QUOTE ] Now this SUCKS! [/ QUOTE ] Yes. It is $5 in 2,3,5 (5-200 max) and $4 in 2,2,4 (4-100 max) spread limit with an opening bet. The only way less is taken is if it is a walk, or a chop, or a short handed table.
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#20
07-06-2006, 10:05 AM
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Re: New $5 drop at Bay 101... please stab me.
yea they are killing their own golden goose here. like you said when the game gets shorthanded and not even five. sixhanded unless its really full of bad players you must quit most times. so their games get broken and dont get a chance to fill up and continue on for the night. when you got a table full of shills paying while waiting for players to come along why chase them away. in higher stakes games time charges are way better as the players stick around and dont run.
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