LP raising standards

[Jouster777]

I can't get myself to raise a SC with multiple limpers because I can't understand why the benefits of a raise outweigh the benefit of having a multiway pot with these hands. Can someone address this?

[Slap My Jack]

Agree with dbitel.

Just that when you start playing this way you have to be prepared for the variance it introduces.

You're also going to making tougher decisions postflop.

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I just want to add that any preflop strategy should be extremely flexible, always adapting to shifting circumstances.

Things you should always consider at the table before you play a hand:
1) How deep are we?
2) How loose are the limpers ahead of you?
3) How loose are the people left to act?
4) How loose are they postflop?
5) How has the action been lately? Have you been quiet or active?
6) Are your opponents good or bad?
7) Other stuff that I cant think of right now

These are the kind of things that should dictate your preflop play,
not a starting hand chart.

Example hand
A4o is valuable when:
You are first in.
Players behind you are tight.
A4o is not valuable when:
You have limpers ahead of you.
Players behind you are loose.

Etc.

Bonus link: Pokey's post on blind stealing

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I can't get myself to raise a SC with multiple limpers because I can't understand why the benefits of a raise outweigh the benefit of having a multiway pot with these hands. Can someone address this?

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Two main reasons:
- Deception
- My c-bets are an important source of income

However, you cant say always do this or that with sc.
It all depends on the specific table dynamics.

[Johan L]

Everytime I play aggro I looose!

[Dan Bitel]

Jouster777,

I've come to the conclusion that limping sucks

[Jouster777]

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Two main reasons:
- Deception
- My c-bets are an important source of income

However, you cant say always do this or that with sc.
It all depends on the specific table dynamics.

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This is how I convince myself to raise them with 0-1 limpers but these hands are pretty nice to get multiway. I'm trying to weigh the relative benefits...as you say it may be my specific table dynamics - see below.


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Jouster777, I've come to the conclusion that limping sucks

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I still do it, a lot...Party 25NL & 50NL has so many tables with loose-passive preflop players that I can't pass it up. It may be a matter or the level or it may just be me needing more education.

[Dan Bitel]

Jouster777,

the wiered thing is that in theory, it seems that we should limp hands like 67s in multiway pots. But in practice, I find that raising is just more +EV. I think the reason is that opponents rarely get 2nd best hands when we flop good with these kind of hands, and picking up the dead money in the pot preflop and cbetting the flop if they call is just soooooo +EV

[Isura]

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Jouster777,

I've come to the conclusion that limping sucks

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I tend to agree.

[Dan Bitel]

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Jouster777,

I've come to the conclusion that limping sucks

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I tend to agree.

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your experiment with limping didnt go great then?