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#13
09-18-2005, 03:21 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
This looks pretty standard to me.
Although once I hit top two pair like that, I get pretty aggro. I would have bet the turn again. Probably not the best move though, I'm not sure. I wonder if this line wins more money when ahead, and loses less money when behind to a set (with top two pair). Did this guy slowplay a set, or did he have something like QQ-99 or Ax? If he had 34, I LOL @ PF call. 
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#14
09-18-2005, 04:58 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
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I checked the turn to induce a river bluff. Doesn't my hand look like I hated the ace? In my experience (only 3K hands so not much), getting paid off by a dominated ace in a raised pot is very difficult. Once he doesn't bet the turn, I figure I'm probably way ahead and my best chance of making any money on the river is to let him bluff at it. [/ QUOTE ] so why didn't you raise? even a min raise is cute here.
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#15
09-18-2005, 06:01 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
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If this isn't your usual line, what is? This is definitely a play I use almost every time. There's no real scary draws on the flop, and on the turn you look fine. Looks OK to me, though I may bet the river and call a raise instead. If I only had TPTK, then I'd check-call for sure. [/ QUOTE ] I'll usually either lead the turn and fold to a raise or make a bet on the river once the turn is checked through. Some opponents will pay off with a weaker ace if the turn is checked through since they think that I think my QQ is good due to them not betting the turn. I didn't raise the river because a full pot bet is, in my experience, either a very strong hand or nothing and I'd rather see what he played that way when I'm ahead than raise and not get that information. I lose value against worse two pairs that will pay off a raise but I think I will see a bluff or a set a high percentage of the time.
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#16
09-18-2005, 09:04 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
Y do u say wawb? bet turn.
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#17
09-18-2005, 09:33 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
Does everyone think that villain is bluffing this river 1 in 3 times? If he's half decent, he should know that given the line hero took, bluffing this river is really bad. If hero has something like QQ-TT he folds, and he calls with AK. AQ-AT seem like the only reasonable hands that hero could be pushed off of, on the river that plays the hand this way. And why would villain want to 'bluff' the river with AQ, A5,A6, as he can't expect too many worst hands to call the river. I think it's better for hero to make a block type river bet, or just check/fold to the big bet. Am I way off here?
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#19
09-18-2005, 10:02 AM
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Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
bet 1/2 the pot on turn and it sets you up for river push.
'inducing bluff' / pot control sucks here because you miss too much value with top 2 doing that. I would like the river check more if flop had 2 diamonds or the flush draw from flop missed.. THIS IS PARTY POKER man..your aim should be to get the stack in with top 2 because donks call all day with TPGK ...
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#20
09-18-2005, 07:20 PM
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Well, in light of what villain had (64o), I look like a genius as there's no way I make any money from it any other way. Frankly, the quick flop call bothered me and got me into pot control and get-to-showdown-cheaply mode. I've taken this line a few times with AK when I hit on relatively benign boards and had good results. However, I don't have enough of a sample size to say whether its more profitable than other lines over the long run.
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