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Ghazban 09-17-2005 09:21 PM

WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
I don't have a read on villain. He was sitting out when I arrived at the table and just posted this hand. His flop call was almost instantaneous. Love it or hate it?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Hero ($400)
MP ($1645.45)
Button ($1003.36)
SB ($376.75)
BB ($415.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $6. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP (poster) calls $12, Button calls $16, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, MP calls $50, Button folds.

Turn: ($156) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($156) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $154</font>, Hero calls $154.

Final Pot: $464

thefisherman 09-17-2005 09:24 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
Do you play passive turn and river because you think you are behind and want a cheap showdown or because you think you can make more money playinging it that way?

Los Feliz Slim 09-17-2005 09:30 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
I don't get it. You're obviously not planning on check/raising the turn, which is the only reason I can see to check there. Why check the river? If you really think you're behind I would think a blocking bet would be called for, if you're ahead I think you need to bet or C/R the river.

What are you putting villain on that he could play this way? I think a weaker two pair seems more likely than a set because of the check behind on the turn.

Ghazban 09-17-2005 09:35 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
I checked the turn to induce a river bluff. Doesn't my hand look like I hated the ace? In my experience (only 3K hands so not much), getting paid off by a dominated ace in a raised pot is very difficult. Once he doesn't bet the turn, I figure I'm probably way ahead and my best chance of making any money on the river is to let him bluff at it.

thefisherman 09-17-2005 09:41 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
In that case it's a good line. No real draws to worry about from that flop. Not a bad way to play a big ace in general I suppose. Also benefits from players who hit turn for two pair or something because you have somewhat disguised your strength.

amoeba 09-17-2005 09:41 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
I actually like it.

against a decent villain, its very difficult to win a lot of money with AK vs AQ.

besides, with third caller preflop and pot sized flop bet, if you bet the turn, you pretty much have to call any river bet.

benwood 09-17-2005 09:48 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
Ilike uour line, too. But I think I would C/R him all in on the river. If he is on a bluff or weak hand,he will lay it down &amp; not get to see your hand. If he has a weaker Ace he may pay you off.

jkkkk 09-17-2005 09:56 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
This is good, v unlikely he calls pf with 34.

bweiser8311962 09-17-2005 09:56 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
[ QUOTE ]
Ilike uour line, too. But I think I would C/R him all in on the river. If he is on a bluff or weak hand,he will lay it down &amp; not get to see your hand. If he has a weaker Ace he may pay you off.

[/ QUOTE ]

And since he flopped a set you will be giving him more money.

yvesaint 09-17-2005 09:59 PM

Re: WA/WB with AKo, not my usual line
 
If this isn't your usual line, what is? This is definitely a play I use almost every time. There's no real scary draws on the flop, and on the turn you look fine.

Looks OK to me, though I may bet the river and call a raise instead. If I only had TPTK, then I'd check-call for sure.


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