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Old 08-21-2006, 03:03 PM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

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I think the only thing you are ahead of that GW has w/ any regularity is A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?

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He's behind that too

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Haha, well I meant currently ahead of.

Edit: Wow, didn't realize how far behind, but on the flop he's getting 1:2... and if CO had called, even more.



Ofcourse, I don't think you GW has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] often enough here, and throw in AA and KK makes things look really bad.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

Fold flop.

Pf, there's a raise, rr, coldcall, then solid player 4bets, essentially 400bb deep eff stacks with 3 betting button. If he has most pairs, he calls. You can only hope he has AK, but thats unlikely. After flop action, you're almost surely beaten.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

op,

from my brief play with gild, he IS on the laggy side pf. i can see where you're coming from. but i just think this is bad most of the time, and if he had JJ here, its the minority.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

I think this would be a much more interesting hand with KK, maybe with a spade
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

All,

Thanks for the responses, you have convinced me.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:17 PM
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All,

Thanks for the responses, you have convinced me.

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also, I don't want to give away too much of my play but don't think because I'm a little laggy preflop I am going to donate my chips in a pot this big...my range here is extremely tight once I bet out this flop and it has you crushed
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

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All,

Thanks for the responses, you have convinced me.

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also, I don't want to give away too much of my play but don't think because I'm a little laggy preflop I am going to donate my chips in a pot this big...my range here is extremely tight once I bet out this flop and it has you crushed

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I think it is +ev for you to play JJ and possibly TT like this.

Edit: without TT or any of the other AK hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

118,800 games 0.094 secs 1,263,829 games/sec

Board: 2s 3s 5h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 62.6237 % 58.92% 03.70% { JJ+, AsKs }
Hand 2: 37.3763 % 33.67% 03.70% { QQ }


Like i said, I still think its a fold, but closer then some are saying.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:24 PM
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All,

Thanks for the responses, you have convinced me.

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also, I don't want to give away too much of my play but don't think because I'm a little laggy preflop I am going to donate my chips in a pot this big...my range here is extremely tight once I bet out this flop and it has you crushed

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I think it is +ev for you to play JJ and possibly TT like this.

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I am actually shocked that the donator folded in this hand...I was expecting 0% fold equity againts him. Against you HU, yea maybe but in a multiway pot there is no way
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

Well it is now, now the other dude is gonna fold QQ!
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: QQ against Gildwulf and super fish (450+bb pot 3/6)

I guess I'm the only one who shows up with 66 in gild's spot here. FWIW, I think his line is massively +EV with 66...
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