(39) KQ, good spot to 'action limp'? - Page 2

Luisgallo · #11 03-15-2007, 01:11 PM

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SB should raise you all in pretty much 100% if you ever put money in this pot without going all in. I do not like a raise, I do not like a limp here.

This is a push/fold situation

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How simple is that??
The reason why the dude did not get many answers is beacause this is very very standard!

Luisgallo · #12 03-15-2007, 01:14 PM

is this a joke right?
You miniraise and fold to a reraise? what do u expect big stack in position is going to fold your miniraise???

you wanto to miniraise AA or KK...here it is a 100% fold.

Sparta45 · #13 03-15-2007, 01:14 PM

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SB should raise you all in pretty much 100% if you ever put money in this pot without going all in. I do not like a raise, I do not like a limp here.

This is a push/fold situation

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How simple is that??
The reason why the dude did not get many answers is beacause this is very very standard!

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I don't think that's why. I think he didn't get answers because this hand is not standard.

Luisgallo · #14 03-15-2007, 01:17 PM

Tell me why this is not standard.
Tell me why is ever correct limping or raising a big stack on the bubble with a marginal hand whent here is a 3BB shortie.

If you can explain me those things then the hand will be non standard.

JSH06 · #15 03-15-2007, 01:21 PM

I think folding & calling are both fine. If you call you have a hand that's far above average to hopefully take against the small stack. If you fold the SB will probably often shove and BB will usually call since he has 3BBs and would be getting almost 2:1. I think a raise of any sort is just asking to get pwned by the big stack.

kylephilly · #16 03-15-2007, 01:22 PM

Calling is not the right play in my opinion

Luisgallo · #17 03-15-2007, 01:23 PM

If you call and SB will shove anyway.

calling is just a huge waste of chips.

Sparta45 · #18 03-15-2007, 01:24 PM

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Tell me why this is not standard.
Tell me why is ever correct limping or raising a big stack on the bubble with a marginal hand whent here is a 3BB shortie.

If you can explain me those things then the hand will be non standard.

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I already did above, but there are 2 main scenarios

1) SB folds to BB and BB increases his stack by 25% at no risk

2) SB pushes his marginal hand into BB and BB calls because he's short stacked and doubles up. Now BB has 1200 chip and we have 1800 because we refused to enter the pot with a KQ (which is a pretty nice hand for a 3 handed game).

If hero doesn't enter the pot, he not only loses the value of his KQ, but he increases the odds the shorty comes back and hurts him. Folding pf is a mistake.

kylephilly · #19 03-15-2007, 01:26 PM

I believe the right play is a 3x BB raise and adjust to a push based off of previous reads

JSH06 · #20 03-15-2007, 01:26 PM

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I dont know if I like the fold.

I think you may have the best hand, obviously you can wait for the BB to get blinded out, but if he happens to double through you may now have more pressure to play poker and this might be your best shot.

I guess I fold here with this line but I think I raise this hand on the button 90% of the time in this situation.

What do we know about the SB?

You could raise to 600 and fold and still have 2x the BB if you think he really has it

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Lol n00baments
Raising to 600 is absolutely awful. It's 1/3 of our stack and is asking to get pwned by the big stack. If you really wanted to raise a min raise is 2463457438243 times better. I mean what is a 600 raise going to accomplish that a min raise doesn't? Is the short stack going to stop n go to a min raise and make you fold on the flop? I sure as hell hope not.

Calling after the shove is atrocius. We have 3x the amount of chips as the short stack. Even if we were 100% certain the big stack is pushing any 2 cards here it would still be massively -EV to call.