200NL | I get 4bet holding aces :)

[cbloom]

If you never shove bluff here, don't shove AA.

[Dire]

This is the perfect spot to shove. After getting 3-bet so often in CO vs BTN he's gotta think you're playing to run him over, so keep running him over. He probably doesn't have a huge hand and may definitely fold to the shove, but it's a whole heck of alot better than letting him see a flop and draw you out or get away if he actually does have something like JJ/QQ/AK that he may have even gone with preflop in this spot. And of course, you're one step closer to sending him into complete mega donkey-tilt.

[donkmagic]

either way your hand is face up.

[Jay Riall]

Shoving will let an awful lot of people get away from everything except AA/KK here. I call.

[TheMadHeater]

The jig is up man, you can no longer disguise the fact that your hand is very strong. Just push and hope he calls. Otherwise, just take the variance free $$$ and hope that folding to you yet again has enraged him.

[aislephive]

With these stack sizes I don't mind a call at all. I'd also call with TT+ in this spot a decent amount of the time, so calling hardly gives away my hand. With 100bbs I definitely push, though.

[cs3]

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With these stack sizes I don't mind a call at all. I'd also call with TT+ in this spot a decent amount of the time, so calling hardly gives away my hand. With 100bbs I definitely push, though.

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wtf? so youre calling a 4bet with TT when youre less than 150bb's deep?
i think getting in over 1/5 your effecive stack that way is pretty damn awful.




everyone agrees that if we call the 4bet with AA we cant ever fold any flop, so think about what that means for TT...

[aislephive]

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With these stack sizes I don't mind a call at all. I'd also call with TT+ in this spot a decent amount of the time, so calling hardly gives away my hand. With 100bbs I definitely push, though.

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wtf? so youre calling a 4bet with TT when youre less than 150bb's deep?
i think getting in over 1/5 your effecive stack that way is pretty damn awful.




everyone agrees that if we call the 4bet with AA we cant ever fold any flop, so think about what that means for TT...

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Obviously if I'm calling it's not for set value. It's because I think I have the best hand and I think villain either will shut down if his 4 bet is called or if I know he will make a spewy cbet if I call his 4 bet.

[BDaws]

I would rather 5 bet to $125-$135 and give him the illusion that he may have some FE. People love being able to be the last person to get a raise in.

[cs3]

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Obviously if I'm calling it's not for set value. It's because I think I have the best hand and I think villain either will shut down if his 4 bet is called or if I know he will make a spewy cbet if I call his 4 bet.

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seems like more reason to push or fold, no?
i dont care what the reasoning is, calling a 4bet for that much of your stack with TT is terrible.