KK vs. DJ Sensei: Live $5/$10

[tcorbin16]

big jim call and let DJ continue to bluff. i mean ffs he is DJ he loves to blufffff and make sick plays.

id prob like minraise him or call. i dnk wierd spot.

[Surf]

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Surf, wtf - you think he is folding AA after putting 20% of his stack in pf?

Maybe, maybe on a KQJ board he would, but on J9x? LOL - he is only behind 1 hand (since 99 and 22 are folding pre), and BJ might even fold JJ pre, so AA is never ever ever folding here. You can choose my avatar for all of 2007 if BJ raised and Sensei folded Aces.

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Hah, sorry didn't read the bet-sizing properly, I was just thinking "200 bbs deep in reraised pot" I forgot it was 4bet pre.

Surf

[Surf]

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All: There is almost no chance whatsoever that he folds AA.

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Yeah, you're right I didn't do the math to realize he put in 20% pre, I was just thinking "hey they are really deep."

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Pre-flop, I was thinking that he could easily have a fairly wide range here, and I think folding pre is pretty bad. CO was fairly weak, and I think that DJ views my range here as fairly wide, and he is not unfamiliar with the TWP move.

Post flop, I guess what this really comes down to is whether or not I think he would cbet here without the goods (KK+).

For the sake of discussion, If I DO think that he would cbet here often with a weak hand, how do you think I should proceed?

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This was what I was alluding to in my edit (tho i got the relative positions wrong, thought u were SB) - if a) he'll be making a move enough PF to call and b) will cont-bet them on the flop then I think your best action is to call the flop to induce a bluff-push on the turn. If this isn't the case I think u should just fold pre.

Surf

[Big_Jim]

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If this isn't the case I think u should just fold pre.

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Surely if he is c/fing his air post-flop, then the PF call is still worthwhile.

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If this isn't the case I think u should just fold pre.

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Surely if he is c/fing his air post-flop, then the PF call is still worthwhile.

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if he checks this flop, betting is horrible.

[Requin]

Just call his ass down.

[Big_Jim]

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If this isn't the case I think u should just fold pre.

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Surely if he is c/fing his air post-flop, then the PF call is still worthwhile.

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if he checks this flop, betting is horrible.

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I agree.

[Surf]

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If this isn't the case I think u should just fold pre.

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Surely if he is c/fing his air post-flop, then the PF call is still worthwhile.

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Well, he's still going to take the pot away from us sometimes when he has air, because he's smart enough to know what boards we can't call on...he has to have air a high %age if we are calling pre mainly to win when he c-f's a pure a bluff, assuming he's not doing this for "value" with worse hands.

Surf

[Darkfolder]

Call the flop, fold the turn?

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the reason i think folding pre is money is because of the implied odds involved.