Who is responsible for left chips...

[psandman]

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hmm, weird, so far seems like there is no real answer...

sandman - do you just not take breaks? how do you protect your monies while taking a piss and such?

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I recognize there is a certain amount of risk. If I had huge amounts of money on the table I would remove the cash and high denomination chips when i left for dinner breaks. I would leave them on the table for piss breaks (since the table is safer than the bathroom where there are no cameras) but I would put cash under the chips to make it harder to steal. I generally don't worry about chips only cash because chips are hard to steal (especially stacks of low denomination chips).

[rograndom]

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how do you protect your monies while taking a piss and such?

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Don't ask this question at the Taj. You don't want to know answer.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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This is a case where I think the casino is clearly responsible. The casino knew the chips did not belong to the person who took them but allowed them to be taken merely because the person said they were doing so at the owners behest. This is not reasonable reposnible behavior by the casino.

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I did the story quickly so let me add a few facts. "Bob" also had a history of often staying in the bar after his third or fourth trip, and the floor would have to pick up his chips. Also, my understanding is the regular players told the stranger to "go ahead", since it would speed up the process of filling up the game. I'm also relatively certain that the Commerce did in fact reimburse, but asked Bob to keep it quiet (which he "sort of" did).

~ Rick

[mak15]

so if you go to the bathroom, and someone comes over and takes all of your chips, and for some reason nobody does anything about it.

when you come back your money is gone and there's nothing you can do about it?

[Wake up CALL]

You can do a lot but nothing I can think of will make your chips reappear.

[cardcounter0]

Gosh, if only the concept that you are responsible for the chips in front of you, and if you leave the table - take the chips with you and bring them back when you return - or leave them and you are assuming the risk if someone takes them while you are gone - if only this simple concept would keep the nits at home.

[cardcounter0]

You could immediately alert casino security and do your best to assist them.

You could call the police.

Or you could get a description of the person who took the chips from the witnesses and search the city for that person.

Or you could remember to take the majority of your chips with you when you leave the table.

Or if you are a complete nit, you could vow to never play in a B&M again.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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so if you go to the bathroom, and someone comes over and takes all of your chips, and for some reason nobody does anything about it.

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In practice this happens so rarely you don't have to worry about it. The players the dealer and the house will try to protect you. There's just no guarantee.

Note that in five years of working the floor in the late nineties, I only ran into this problem once. A gypsy family (mother, daughter, grandmother/aunt) was pulling a move where they the middle age Mom would "accidentally" sit in the wrong seat and try to lift some chips when correcting her seat. I tracked it down and booted/barred the family from the casino. As they left the Gypsy woman put a "death curse" on me (she actually said I would die before I reached home). A few months later I saw her in another casino, looked her straight in the eye, smiled, and held my hands out to motion that indicated "I'm still here". [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

As a practical matter if you are in a game like NL with big chips in plain view you can put them underneath your small chips while you go to bathroom. Also always keep your chips stacked neatly when leaving the table for a break, you really have more to worry about from some neighbors than the average onlooker.

~ Rick

[Percula]

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Also always keep your chips stacked neatly when leaving the table for a break, you really have more to worry about from some neighbors than the average onlooker.

~ Rick

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Boy is that the truth! Last weekend I set a red bird out for the waitress and asked the dealer to give it to her when she brought my drinks, he of course refused (rightly so, but hey some will some wont) and asked the guy sitting next to me.

So I had six neat stacks of reds a small pile of whites and two lone reds, one for the tip (sitting away from the stacks) and one waiting to become a full stack tucked nicely against the other stacks. When I got back, both lone reds where gone and the waitress only got one of them... I guess the guy needed a tip, to tip the waitress for me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Not a big deal though and I did not say a word expcet to confirm with the waitress away from the table. I added his chips to my stack anyway...

Well enough of a hijack...

What do most of you NL players do when you have a lot "money" on the table? I generally do not keep cash and only keep 3-5 stacks of primary color and color up anything over that to the highest value I can aka easily placed in the pocket. When I get up I tell the dealer (and the rest of the table since I am speaking loudly) that "I am $X behind, I'll be back after a break".

[bav]

I've wondered a time or two how the casino is supposed to protect my chips if I depart long enough for the dealer to change. The new dealer has no clue at all who was sitting in that seat. That makes it pretty easy for a would-be thief to scan the tables for an ABSENT button and rack up and scoot. Wait for two buttons and you can figure many of the players at the table have forgotten who was sitting there. If a player at the table says something, either make up an excuse about picking up for the player, or apologize and explain you must be at the wrong table. But I'd guess most of the time nobody at the table will even notice the wrong person is taking the chips.