My first 10k hands *WARNING* stats - Page 2

beset · #11 01-16-2007, 08:49 AM

personally evan i think the stats look pretty excellent. Post some hands! Any leaks are not going to be found here

Troll_Inc · #12 01-16-2007, 10:03 AM

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personally evan i think the stats look pretty excellent. Post some hands! Any leaks are not going to be found here

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Also, post your positional stats and standard deviation for that winrate.

Positional stats indicate what sort of preflop player you are and standard deviation probably helps identify the type of post flop play.

EvanJC · #13 01-16-2007, 04:33 PM

position stats are posted, but i can't find the tab in pter where it shows me standard deviation. i thought it was under 'more detail' but i dunno.

here are some hands where i got stacked...lemme know if you see anything [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] this one is donktastic, obviously.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.50
UTG+1: $24.50
CO: $27.55
Button: $126.10
SB: $11.90
Hero: $25.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $1.1, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.4, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $3.4, Hero raises to $13.6, CO calls, Button raises to $61.2, Hero calls all-in $11, CO calls all-in $12.85.
Uncalled bets: $34.75 returned to Button.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($80.9, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $77.2, Sidepot 1: $3.7)

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80.9, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $77.2, Sidepot 1: $3.7)

Results:
Final pot: $80.9

ugh i was just looking over all the hands where i lost a full stack. i'm sure there are lots more questionable plays but i got bad beat so many times for full stacks.

EvanJC · #14 01-16-2007, 04:42 PM

the more i look over these hands the more i realize i run bad in big pots, just like in holdem =D here's a few, just for fun...

he had a big hand on the turn here but my turn c/r is still legit, right?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.65
UTG+1: $27.35
CO: $20.45
Hero: $24.65
SB: $24.95
BB: $33.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.8, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $2.8, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.4, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $8.4, Hero raises all-in $21, UTG+1 calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($50.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.4)

Results:
Final pot: $50.4
UTG+1 showed Jd Ad Qc Ac
Hero showed Th 8s 9h 7s

this one is fishcakes. do i need to always wait till the river to check and see if i have the nuts before i put money in? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.05
UTG+1: $19.45
CO: $17.25
Button: $25.50
Hero: $34.75
BB: $69.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 5 players)
Hero bets $7.5, BB calls, UTG calls all-in $0.55, 2 folds.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($23.05, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $9.15, Sidepot 1: $13.9)
Hero bets $23.05, BB calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($69.15, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $9.15, Sidepot 1: $60)
Hero is all-in $2.7, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $74.55
Hero showed As Qd 3c Ac
BB showed 6h Kd Jh 7h
UTG mucks Jc 8d 2d Kc

again, another turn checkraise. is this okay?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $39.60
CO: $10
Button: $10.20
Hero: $23.15
BB: $28.30

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero calls, BB raises to $1.5, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.25, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.25, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, 2 folds, Hero raises all-in $21.65, BB calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($49.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.55)

Results:
Final pot: $49.55
Hero showed Qd Qs Th Tc
BB showed 7s Kh Kc Ts

swope · #15 01-16-2007, 06:41 PM

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I wonder if God plays poker, what his favorite game is.

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razz.

Silent A · #16 01-16-2007, 07:54 PM

Evan, your play here is generally fine. Certainly there's nothing wrong with anything you did in hands in the last post. Your play with top 2 is certainly questionable, both flop and pre-flop, but not as bad as some of your lucky opponents in the latter hands.

This is the kind of thing I initially suspected when you posted your stats, you're running bad in big pots. It doesn't take much over 10K hands for a solid winner to go on a losing spell.

Troll_Inc · #17 01-17-2007, 01:10 AM

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position stats are posted, but i can't find the tab in pter where it shows me standard deviation. i thought it was under 'more detail' but i dunno.

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No you were correct, and already posted your positional stats, my bad.

Everything looks solid. The only thing would be that maybe you want to ease up with the the number of hands in middle position (#2 and #3 at 6 max tables). But overall it looks like you are playing preflop solidly....playing quality hands and enough raised pots so that your opponents won't be able to put you on anything specifically.

I don't know if you have done so, but I would go through your 10,000 hands and start analyzing the top 10 or 20 hands on each street for pot odds. This should tell you if you are just getting unlucky or if you are making some blatant errors that keep you from being a winning player.

Troll_Inc · #18 01-17-2007, 01:22 AM

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the more i look over these hands the more i realize i run bad in big pots, just like in holdem =D here's a few, just for fun...

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Also, as a word of warning your analysis needs to be unbiased.

What I've done: in pokertracker go through and take the top 10 biggest pots you were involved in, i.e. you put in a significant amount of money. This has to be done in a 110% unbiased way. Decide on the critera before you do to the analysis.

[Game Notes]
[Get All]
[Pot] -> click to sort and then pull out the ones that you had large positive or negative net numbers.

[Game #] each hand pops up.
[Playback hand] Go through and calculate the amount of money you put into the pot and your pot equity at each step. (PT links now to twodimes.net to speed this process.)

Compare how much you should have won over these hands vs how much you actually did. These big hands greatly skew your results away from your true winrate and this analysis should help give you a better idea of your true winrate.

Sounds like a lot of work, but you should be able to do 10 hands in an hour.

RoundTower · #19 01-17-2007, 03:17 PM

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Also, as a word of warning your analysis needs to be unbiased.

This has to be done in a 110% unbiased way. Decide on the critera before you do to the analysis.

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I like this idea but it sounds impossible to do this in an unbiased way. The results are massively biased by the fact that you can only see hands that went to showdown.

Silent A · #20 01-17-2007, 03:29 PM

I don't know about "massively". A very high portion of the big pots will make it to showdown just because someone usually ends up all-in at one point or another.

Your main problem is deep stacked players who fold on the turn/river. Consider what they likely had when you make your analysis.