oh good, i get min check raised on the river

[Cue-Ball 66]

I say it was perfect aswell.

As long as you folded.

[Dire]

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I've just seen this so many times, cbet a passive CS w air, then you hit on the turn but are by no means sure you are ahead. It's a good way to bleed lots of money. I guess there's no other way to play it once you cbet but my cbet % in this spot is gonna be much less on this type of board vs a CS, when he's not folding any pair, draws, or piece of the board.

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It's extremely hard for him to hit anything on a 667 board, making a cbet very profitable. Cbetting very dry boards is never going to "bleed lots of money." Those times he calls with 68 / 22 / A9 or whatever and refuses to fold, your cbet makes this an incredibly profitable situation when you hit - whereas you lose nothing but your cbet when he calls and you miss. The times he calls/slowplays with a monster and you hit enough to justifiably value town him are going to be an extremely small segment of all possible scenarios.

[brizzology]

Surprised everyone agrees with the river bet. I woulda checked the river. Maybe I'm missing out on lots of value here?

The river value bet paid off in the example hand, but that was because he flopped TPTK and he didn't put you on an overpair, so he went into CS mode.

In the question hand, the straight draw is about the only draw out there he could be calling down on the flop and turn. Otherwise, he's calling with a made hand or something lame like AK.

most of these hands beat you on the river, and he's of course not going to pay you with a busted straight draw, so I'd check it down.

yeah, maybe he'd call down with A7 or mid pocket pair, but didn't he just get burned that way? Seems unlikely. Thoughts?

[gimmetheloot]

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This hand is good. You have to fold the river.

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[BigPoppa]

I would check the River.

The example hand was a lot less scary board for A8 than this one is for something like A7/88-JJ.
Stations put us on AK/AQ as an excuse to call with an underpair, but even they fold if the board has enough paint on it.

[carrotsnake]

checking this river is lighting money on fire

[blah-blah-blah]

i bet the river. then i fold to the min-raise. a question for pineapple: in ur first post i think u said you would bet the river to block? aren't we in position?

[NL__Fool]

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checking this river is lighting money on fire

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Betting this river is lighting money on fire.

No draws hit so if he was on a draw he can't call. Only hand that would be calling here is a K in which case it's a split pot as your kicker doesnt play so the river bet has no value here.

There is a big difference in the 2 hands posted. This hand there is a K & Q on the board so it's doubtfull that he will call this without at least a K.

In the hand where he called down MP there were no big cards scare on the board,, the highest card was a 10 and a lot of fish automaticly put you on AK when you raise preflop.

I check this river behind

[Dire]

Checking this river is so bad. I routinely get called by amazing hands like 88 in spots like this, and even on some 'scarier' boards.

[loosbastard]

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Checking this river is so bad. I routinely get called by amazing hands like 88 in spots like this, and even on some 'scarier' boards.

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