oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

ok, villain is a 58/10/1 calling station he CRes 1.59 according to PAHUD. This is over 143 hands. Went to SD 30%. Won at SD 63%.

I have to fire 3 times right? The hand is below.... and an example of his calling station nature one below that.

So the basic premise on betting this river would be that he is a calling station, so I can fold to a raise right?

I should prob. have bet $70 on the river... my bad.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $571.00
keikiwai (UTG): $326.40
MP: $268.00
CO: $114.70
BTN: $221.80

Preflop: keikiwai is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">keikiwai raises to $8.00</font>, 4 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($41) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $30.00</font>, BB calls $30.00

River: ($101) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $50.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $100.00</font>, keikiwai ????



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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $201.00
BB: $685.00
keikiwai (UTG): $210.40
MP: $271.00
CO: $114.00
BTN: $221.80

Preflop: keikiwai is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">keikiwai raises to $8.00</font>, 4 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $13.00</font>, BB calls $13.00

Turn: ($43) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $30.00</font>, BB calls $30.00

River: ($103) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $70.00</font>, BB calls $70.00

Pot Size: $243.00 ($3 Rake)

BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and LOST (-$121.00)
keikiwai had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON (+$119.00)

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

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ok, villain is a 58/10/1 calling station he CRes 1.59 according to PAHUD. This is over 143 hands. Went to SD 30%. Won at SD 63%.

I have to fire 3 times right?

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Nope. You fire at a CS when you have a strong hand. You do not have one at any point.

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So the basic premise on betting this river would be that he is a calling station, so I can fold to a raise right?

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Yep.

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I should prob. have bet $70 on the river... my bad.

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Nope. Your plan should be to block the river, if you bet at all after getting called twice.

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

pineapple,

thanks for the reply and I agree w/ most, but disagree on one important point:

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Nope. You fire at a CS when you have a strong hand. You do not have one at any point.


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How is 2 pair GK not a good hand when villain is willing to call down w/ mp (hand 2)

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

This hand is good. You have to fold the river.

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

I think you played it good, now fold to his minraise.

I like 50 on the river instead of more, too, since I do think he's more likely to pay off with like 99 or something. Also, as it turns out, it leaves you more room to fold.

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

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This hand is good. You have to fold the river.

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Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

Hand is played fine, fold river. I always call and they always have me beat somehow [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

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pineapple,

thanks for the reply and I agree w/ most, but disagree on one important point:

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Nope. You fire at a CS when you have a strong hand. You do not have one at any point.


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How is 2 pair GK not a good hand when villain is willing to call down w/ mp (hand 2)

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Well the 2 pair is irrelevant of course when one of them is on the board, it's worse in fact because he could easily have trips. I really don't see a huge amount of relevance from the example hand, really, because in that hand he had TPTK until the river and couldn't expect that the river card helped you.

I've just seen this so many times, cbet a passive CS w air, then you hit on the turn but are by no means sure you are ahead. It's a good way to bleed lots of money. I guess there's no other way to play it once you cbet but my cbet % in this spot is gonna be much less on this type of board vs a CS, when he's not folding any pair, draws, or piece of the board.

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

Nothing to add, it's fine on all streets.

Re: oh good, i get min check raised on the river
 

i think if he is a callin station; 99% of the time hes not check raising this river w/o something that beats u.