Range for stop n go? 5r

[hasuuser]

Villain is an idiot then and it's still a call imo.

[markbris]

Obv its still a call.

[timmay28]

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odds are like 2-1 on the call so 33% would be ok.

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Hmm, I've always thought that you don't call in a spot like this unless the pot is laying bigger odds than the odds of hitting your hand. Assuming you have 10 outs which = 3.6-1 vs 2-1 in the pot. What am I missing here?

[markbris]

My thinking there is 66%:33% Im a 2:1 dog against his range. So as long as Im getting 2:1 or better the call is fine. Correct me someoene if Im wrong.

[SengioKang]

if you have 10 outs the call is fine...

alot of times i've seen this be top 2 pair with 89...

he might even have 78... in which case your 10 and overs are still golden given the odds

[BlueEcho]

Mark,

Your call is correct using 10 outs which gives you 1.6-1 or 38%.

Timmay- you are confusing two cards to come which is 1.6-1 with one card to come being 3.6-1.

[markbris]

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Mark,

Your call is correct using 10 outs which gives you 1.6-1 or 38%.

Timmay- you are confusing two cards to come which is 1.6-1 with one card to come being 3.6-1.

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Yea this is what confused me about his post. I realized it but I had already left the house a while ago, I thought somethign about that 3.6-1 was wrong.

[BurnleyMik]

Do you have his range at any two? i think you can narrow his range down a bit here. Surely he would realise a Stop n Go here is of little value because you will be giving the bigger stack 2-1 after the flop. I may be totally wrong, but I don't like the call.

[markbris]

Narrow it down to what? All the big hands he should be pushing pf for value so taking those out leaves a range def worth calling against. I talked to mflip about this real quick after the hand and he thought villain might flatcall bigger pairs often there but I dont really see that happening much at all.

[BurnleyMik]

I ok but, i certainly don't believe his range is any two here.