Victor vs Tolbiny

[Entity]

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so with AQ you should checkraise. with AK you should check call. with AJ you should just check fold.

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If that's what he should do with all those hands, then tolbiny should check AK, right?

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if tolbiny should check AK, he should bet AK, right?

i don't like these arguments.

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I don't get your point. You're saying what Victor should do with AK-AJ and defined that vs. a decent player there's no value that tolbiny can extract. The only way AK can valuebet is if victor is folding AK on the river here, right?

Rob

[milesdyson]

yes, and these come up every now and then, and the number of times the word "should" comes up is amazing. by the time this thread is over, how many times will "should" be typed?

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yes, and these come up every now and then, and the number of times the word "should" comes up is amazing. by the time this thread is over, how many times will "should" be typed?

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LOL. I'm done arguing with you, it's pointless. I'm just saying that there's a perfectly legit reason for betting, as you never face a 3bet from a better hand and still extract 1BB when you're ahead (saying tolbiny won't pay off a river checkraise goes beyond the should category here).

Rob

[milesdyson]

well we all know where this is headed right?

if victor would actually c/f AJ then yes tolbiny should cbh AK. if tolbiny would actually cbh AK then yes victor should c/f AK on the river. so should victor donk AQ to prevent the cbh? if tolbiny so surely has AK then why did victor even call the turn raise with AQ? if he should fold AQ to a turn raise, then why did tolbiny even raise with AK on this turn? etc. etc. etc.

the simple fact is that any good player plays with a certain amount of unpredictability, and that alone makes splitting hairs about hands like this fruitless.

[Nincompoop]

You should call the river with AK imo. This fold is too fancy and dangerous especially against an "emotional" player like Vic.

I also don't like the flop 3bet. What's the point? You get less out of weaker Aces (at least theoretically) and give trips or quads or a boat the chance to ream you. This would be a good board to call his flop c/r then wait to raise until the river where you could fold to a 3bet.

That said I also don't like his flop cap for similar reasons if he has an Ace... if he has trips or better than I like it especially considering how much action he got out of you.

Conclusion: you both played this too aggro and too fast and Tolbiny made a bad fold on the end.

[Victor]

"against an "emotional" player like Vic."

hahahahaha, how much have you played with me?

also, you dont know what tolbiny had.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

If Victor had AQ, I think he put too much action on the flop. I think he's going to be looking at AK or AA more often than <=AJ once the 3-bet comes. (He may also face an occasional re-bluff, but that also argues for just calling the 3-bet).

[Nincompoop]

I didin't claim to know.. my post assumes he has AK for sake of argument.

[Victor]

"hat said I also don't like his flop cap for similar reasons if he has an Ace"

i had aq. my flop cap is fine i think. toblinys pf range is at+ and lots of pairs. im slightly ahead of he ace range and why cant he be 3betting a pp here bc he doesnt believe my cr?

[Nincompoop]

You have to think more strategically than that.