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tolbiny 11-10-2006 02:48 PM

Victor vs Tolbiny
 
Vic and I haven't [layed against each other in a long time, probably 6+ months, but we know each other pretty well.

15/30 6 handed, Victor raises UTG, i three bet UTG +1 (me good seat selection), all fold vic calls.

Flop A, 6, 6 rainbow.

Chck, i bet, Vic c/r, i three bet, he caps.

Turn 5

He bets, i raise, he calls.

River Q

He bets i fold.

milesdyson 11-10-2006 02:57 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
i think his river bet is bad, and im guessing you had AK (maybe AJ)?

but it depends on what "we know each other pretty well" means.

Victor 11-10-2006 02:59 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
u dont even know what i have miles.

tolbiny 11-10-2006 03:12 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
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but it depends on what "we know each other pretty well" means.

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He plays poker 8ft to the left of where i play poker. We know exactly how well/badly the other is running from the cursesscreams and broken computer accessories. We also discuss hands a lot.

milesdyson 11-10-2006 03:19 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
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u dont even know what i have miles.

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you have AQ and you're winning or you have AK and you're splitting. if you have AJ your bet is a bluff and i would not expect someone to fold a better hand for one bet on the river. if you have AK your bet is to win an extra half of the pot, but again i wouldnt expect anyone to fold AK there.

so with AQ you should checkraise. with AK you should check call. with AJ you should just check fold.

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but it depends on what "we know each other pretty well" means.

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He plays poker 8ft to the left of where i play poker. We know exactly how well/badly the other is running from the cursesscreams and broken computer accessories. We also discuss hands a lot.

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yeah and some of this info would be helpful. do you guys ever just try to own each other in hands like this or does this flop and turn action really mean what it should mean on this board?

JDalla 11-10-2006 03:19 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
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i think his river bet is bad, and im guessing you had AK (maybe AJ)?

but it depends on what "we know each other pretty well" means.

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folding AK/AJ here is giving Victor a lot of credit.


What did you have?

Victor 11-10-2006 03:23 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
"so with AQ you should checkraise"

ya bc tolbiny is clueless and cant read hands or boards.

Entity 11-10-2006 03:24 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
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so with AQ you should checkraise. with AK you should check call. with AJ you should just check fold.

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If that's what he should do with all those hands, then tolbiny should check AK, right?

milesdyson 11-10-2006 03:25 PM

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so with AQ you should checkraise. with AK you should check call. with AJ you should just check fold.

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If that's what he should do with all those hands, then tolbiny should check AK, right?

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if tolbiny should check AK, he should bet AK, right?

i don't like these arguments.

tolbiny 11-10-2006 03:28 PM

Re: Victor vs Tolbiny
 
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so with AQ you should checkraise. with AK you should check call. with AJ you should just check fold.

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If that's what he should do with all those hands, then tolbiny should check AK, right?

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if tolbiny should check AK, he should bet AK, right?

i don't like these arguments.

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Why not, these arguments are what this hand is about. Should i fold Ak to an "obvious" AQ? What should Vic be capping this flop with? Should he call the turn raise with AT, AJ, AQ? And the river bet UI? When he spikes his 2 pair should e bet out or c/r? Should he bluff donk with AJ sometimes to prevent me from folding AK on the river?


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