10-20 plo stars

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I like how Iverson was a donk.

and then Gordo posts his response

and now Iverson is a genius [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Niiiice

[pete fabrizio]

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I like how Iverson was a donk.

and then Gordo posts his response

and now Iverson is a genius [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Niiiice

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i stand by my position.

[iggymcfly]

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I like how Iverson was a donk.

and then Gordo posts his response

and now Iverson is a genius [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Niiiice

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i stand by my position.

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You really 4-bet with a pair in your hand when a 5-bet from your opponent will get > 40% of effective stacks in? Why?

BTW, not that I'm really worried about it, but just so jpg knows I'm not copying Gordo, here's a hand I played exactly the same way:

POKERSTARS GAME #11697160689: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/08/26 - 04:30:08 (ET)
Table 'Ulula' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: iggymcfly ($1413.20 in chips)
Seat 4: nechitacc ($549 in chips)
Seat 6: TheDragon ($1175 in chips)
nechitacc: posts small blind $3
yshenkm: is sitting out
TheDragon: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [9c Jd 3d 9s]
yshenkm leaves the table
iggymcfly: raises $15 to $21
nechitacc: calls $18
TheDragon: raises $63 to $84
iggymcfly: calls $63
nechitacc: calls $63
*** FLOP *** [9d Ac Ks]
nechitacc: checks
TheDragon: bets $132
iggymcfly: calls $132
nechitacc: folds
*** TURN *** [9d Ac Ks] [3h]
TheDragon: checks
iggymcfly: checks
*** RIVER *** [9d Ac Ks 3h] [2s]
TheDragon: bets $270
iggymcfly: calls $270
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheDragon: shows [As 2d Ad Ts] (three of a kind, Aces)
iggymcfly: mucks hand
TheDragon collected $1055 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1056 | Rake $1
Board [9d Ac Ks 3h 2s]
Seat 3: iggymcfly (button) mucked [9c Jd 3d 9s]
Seat 4: nechitacc (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: TheDragon (big blind) showed [As 2d Ad Ts] and won ($1055) with three of a kind, Aces

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Do converters cost money or anything? I mean, seriously..

[pete fabrizio]

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you really 4-bet with a pair in your hand when a 5-bet from your opponent will get > 40% of effective stacks in? Why?


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b/c most of the time he's not 5-betting (and when he does it's only going to be 35% of stacks since i 4-bet less than pot). in those cases i'm probably taking slightly the worse of it, but in the bazillion pots that go 4 bets pf i'm taking way the better of it.

[iggymcfly]

I think 4-betting less than the pot makes it really obvious that you don't have AAxx and kills the deceptive value of the 4-bet. That leaves you vulnerable to an aggressive player 5-betting KKxx (which you really don't want right now) and also lets him play pretty well against you postflop.

I think you're better off using your position in a pot that will have some play left and letting villain think that you might be putting him squarely on AAxx than you are hammering away on a mediocre hand. Change one of the nines to a jack or ten and 4-bet full pot and I'm fine with it though.

[CrushinFelt]

I don't 4-bet pre, I raise flop and shutdown and c/c to river when scare cards hit or pot any blank turn. This is HU... if this was 6-max I'd agree with Iverson's line, but it's probably too weak HU.

Given the way we got to the river, this should almost always be a raise. People are giving the opp way too much credit for a big hand, and 67 could definitely call a river raise.

[pete fabrizio]

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I think 4-betting less than the pot makes it really obvious that you don't have AAxx and kills the deceptive value of the 4-bet. That leaves you vulnerable to an aggressive player 5-betting KKxx (which you really don't want right now) and also lets him play pretty well against you postflop.

I think you're better off using your position in a pot that will have some play left and letting villain think that you might be putting him squarely on AAxx than you are hammering away on a mediocre hand. Change one of the nines to a jack or ten and 4-bet full pot and I'm fine with it though.

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i 4-bet the same with or without aces