$50 TT on da turn

[Lucarelli]

16 on turn
c/c river
such a tough spot cause u have 0 reads on him playing postflop...
honestly i think it's a combo draw.

[Johnes Benjamin]

You guys are saying c/c but if we bet 15 on turn the pot going to river is 50 and he will have 26 so we are stacking off with TT. Just out of curiosity, do you think it is usually a missed draw when he shoves river and we are ahead?

I am in no way saying you are wrong, I am asking for clarification. I think one of my weakest points is picking off bluffs. I feel like people don't shove river bluff that much but I would love to hear how people feel about this.

[RapidEvolution]

This is certainly decision time. I check the turn here because I can't see anything calling the flop that doesn't raise this turn if you bet. (and if he calls, it certainly sucks too) I don't think that 88 and 77 call the preflop reraise AND the flop bet...that just seems bad. I'd put him on 66/33/99 most of the time, and maybe AdKd (though I think that'd shove da flop). Since you don't have a read that he'd float flop, I think c/f'ing turn is okay.

[Effen]

Bet/fold $12 on turn, leaves you $30 behind in a $32 pot, if he's gonna shove over with a set this would be the spot. If called, C/C a non diamond river.

[AceHigh]

Villain is tight and aggressive and he is calling a big bet preflop and on the flop. I don't think your TT can be good here.

This isn't some loose fish, it's very unlikely he is calling with 87s or some such draw.

I check the turn and plan on folding to any big bets from MP1.

When you raise 5BB and get called by 18%, isn't that a warning sign in itself?

[Chargers In 07]

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When you raise 5BB and get called by 18%, isn't that a warning sign in itself?

[/ QUOTE ]Not really. It says, "I have a small pair/suited connector/suited ace that I want to flop good with".

In the hand I bet $14 and c/f the river to a push on the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

[AceHigh]

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When you raise 5BB and get called by 18%, isn't that a warning sign in itself?


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Not really. It says, "I have a small pair/suited connector/suited ace that I want to flop good with".

In the hand I bet $14 and c/f the river to a push on the A .



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Would you call your preflop raise in villains spot with sc or Axs?

I wouldn't and the river push seems to confirm that the MP1 didn't.

[Chargers In 07]

No but I'm not 18%vpip.

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I wouldn't and the river push seems to confirm that the MP1 didn't.

[/ QUOTE ] I kind of disagree with this. Once I check the river he knows I'm not calling and probably things I have a QQ/Jx type hand. This is an easy spot to push a busted draw or Axdd that hit the A.

[holdem2000]

Okay, what am I missing here?

Standard preflop raise, non-regular, probably weakish, opponent calls in MP. Standard continuation bet gets called behind, then the turn is a blank... what about this hand makes almost everyone in this thread think that a flopped overpair is so rarely never ahead? Why does everyone assume we're up against either a set or a flush draw virtually all the time?

Edit: Also, to the people talking about how this is an aggressive opponent... AF after 150 hands... this villain has probably seen less than 20 flops and less turns and rivers... AF takes a really long time to converge and an AF after 150 hands means very very little.

[VegasRunner]

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I would b/f it for $15

C/C a non diamond river

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Agreed, but I think you gotta c/f the river if it's an ace.