Is not believing in gay rights biggoted?

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To clarify im not gay. This was brought up as an example of the type of thinking that keeps me from going to church. IE i told here i didnt like some of the viewpoints of the Christian church, ie church sponsored discrimination towards gays.

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Didn't read the whole thread yet.

Wichita - Why are you even having these arguments with your mom? Is there much point to it other than stomping your feet in the ground and trying to tick her off?

You have to know you're not going to change her mind. So it seems you just want to state your opinion and tell her how wrong she is.
If your conversations are getting to the point where people are hanging up on each other than perhaps you should realize you might be taking a 'friendly' conversation a bit too far.


just my thoughts anyway.
My Mom and I know that our political viewpoints are polar-opposites so we just don't chat too seriously about it.

I'm pretty liberal.
She is pretty hard-core Republican. Campaigned for a couple Republicans. Worked in the offices of a Republican governor of Wisconsin (who was my first visitor when I was born) where her desk was right next to some intern named Dick Cheney.

So we're pretty different and we realize that.
But I'm not about to go telling my Mom that she's a bigot for not supporting gay marriage.

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People who claim that allowing gay marriage would decrease family values are full of crap. If anything, gay families may have stronger family values on average. A couple that decides to stick it out and raise a child, despite all the current prejudice, is going to be able to teach their children acceptance and resolve that a large number of parents can't.

Over 50% of marriages end in divorce right now. I don't think gay people are going to do much damage to family values.

Of course not believing in gay rights is bigoted.

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I still can't understand why what anyone else does in their family could possibly have anything to do with what I do in mine. Hell, I don't even like the food other people eat half the time, so their opinions on holes are sure as hell not gonna sway me.

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I only read the first 20 posts or so, but its one thing to support gay marriage, that I can understand, but to call someone who doesn't (around half of this country to my knowledge) a bigot is just ignorant. I have nothing against gay people personally, but I have the right to not want to pay (through taxes) for something that I find to be immoral. If that is not obvious to you, there are some larger issues.

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Of course, if you're going to go that route, the only logical conclusion is to remove government from the marriage business entirely.

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That's crazy talk, how am I supposed to know that I really love my wife without some sort of official government documentation.

[dknightx]

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That links to a website where you have to register. Care to replicate it's contents so I don't have more spam in my inbox?

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Strange. If Google is the referer, they let you in, but 2+2 == no go. Sorry about that.

Here is a Web MD article on the same research at Tufts.

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these studies focus on children raised by women. would you say that a (male) child would have more redicule being raised by 2 men or 2 women? or the same?

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So if I disagree with you I'm a bigot...that's open minded.

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Depends who slams down the phone first.

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If you support gay marriages then do you also support terrorism? I don't see how you can support one but not the other.

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fyp

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It's probably been a couple years since I laughed at a FYP -- if ever.

[runner4life7]

Comparing being a racial minority and being a homosexual is a terrible comparison in my opinion. You can argue that its biological, but so is alcohol abuse. You can decide where you stick your penis, you cannot decide the color of your skin. I don't know of any people that think being black is immoral, but if you really wan to argue that I guess go for it.

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So i just got into a huge fight with my mother over gay rights. Basically she is a typical conservative, and i of course am not. She believes that allowing gays to marry would decrease family values in the Us, and therefore ruin the society fabric of a "family". I told her that adding a title and a few rights (such as tax benefits and insurance sharing for couples) would not have an impact at all on straight families. The same number of people will be gay, regardless. I proceeded to say that i felt that not believing in equal rights for gays and straight couples was bigotted. Of course she was angry and hung up on me. Thoughts?

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Moms hanging up on their kids for differences of beliefs are childish. Your mom is still a child in some ways. So that puts you in the position of parent. This is not the last time it will happen, and I'd be surprised if it were the first.

Don't take it too hard. It's not your job to make everyone happy, even your mom.

Some people are limited. Be glad you're not. That's progress through the generations, and something to be thankful for. Many families don't get there, or even go backward morally or intellectually or both. Now you have something to pass along to your children that your mother did not. With luck, the chain will keep on going. Just be good spirited and forgiving that there are some things your mother will probably never quite get right. That's okay. You can still love each other and get along.

The hanging up on each other thing, though, has got to go. I hope you get an apology. That isn't good between family.

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Blarg - I'm not sure I completely agree with you here.
Yes, the Mom hung-up. But we have no idea how much she was provoked. sounds like it was a really heated conversation and likely not entirely her fault.

OP was originally put in an uncomfortable position where he needed to explain why he doesn't want to go to church.

I've kind of been there before too.

I don't think he needs to go into great depth in hot-button issues that he knows are going to cause problems. This includes not mentioning stuff like gay-marriage and calling his Mom a bigot.

Yes, Mom apparently doesn't want to hear any of that stuff and just hangs-up the phone.
But OP can take some responsibility to become more aware of how not to go too far.

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these studies focus on children raised by women. would you say that a (male) child would have more redicule being raised by 2 men or 2 women? or the same?

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You're asking what I would say, so my take is that two men are equally likely to do well raising their kid as 2 women, or a woman and a man.

I would even argue that in general, a primary cause in being well-adjusted as a child is being wanted.

Since almost exclusively only heterosexual couples end up with children when they are unwanted, I would expect that homosexual couples in aggregate would have a higher percentage of well adjusted children than heterosexuals.

Remove the unwanted kids from the equation and they'll all do equally well.

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So what do you say to the little girl who wants to ask her mom about her first muenstral cycle...oh wait she has two dads. I'm not anti gay I'm pro children. BTW i'm not really against gay marriage, it's the adoption I have a problem with.

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OH MY GOD!!! SOMEONE CUT YOUR DICK OFF!!!

This would of course be inevitable.