Another sat question - stars 3r

yellowdoyle · #1 03-31-2006, 06:54 PM

PokerStars Game #4476909225: Tournament #21923450, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (2000/4000) - 2006/03/31 - 17:47:38 (ET)
Table '21923450 40' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: coctopus (39594 in chips)
Seat 2: sarahw1 (120202 in chips)
Seat 3: SinisaM (40346 in chips)
Seat 4: Tilt_Away (110606 in chips)
Seat 6: bogaras (63467 in chips)
Seat 7: Zatok (58952 in chips)
Seat 8: Yellowdoyle (121433 in chips)
Seat 9: Dudley33 (149394 in chips)
coctopus: posts the ante 200
sarahw1: posts the ante 200
SinisaM: posts the ante 200
Tilt_Away: posts the ante 200
bogaras: posts the ante 200
Zatok: posts the ante 200
Yellowdoyle: posts the ante 200
Dudley33: posts the ante 200
SinisaM: posts small blind 2000
Tilt_Away: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yellowdoyle [Jc Jd]
bogaras: folds
Zatok: raises 54752 to 58752 and is all-in
Yellowdoyle: ?????

Avg chips, 77k. I am 7 out of 28. 19 seats paid, 20th gets $25.

I know this is similar to the other post with the tens, but would you guys have the same decision here?

I am a satellite noob, so thanks for all the help.

yellowdoyle · #2 03-31-2006, 06:58 PM

Another hand....I really am struggling with these decisions for the sats.

PokerStars Game #4476997348: Tournament #21923450, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (3000/6000) - 2006/03/31 - 17:56:24 (ET)
Table '21923450 40' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: coctopus (93888 in chips)
Seat 2: sarahw1 (91702 in chips)
Seat 3: SinisaM (36946 in chips)
Seat 4: Dedrick (75744 in chips)
Seat 5: thepif1 (37143 in chips)
Seat 6: bogaras (44967 in chips)
Seat 7: Zatok (81352 in chips)
Seat 8: Yellowdoyle (113033 in chips)
Seat 9: Dudley33 (107500 in chips)
coctopus: posts the ante 300
sarahw1: posts the ante 300
SinisaM: posts the ante 300
Dedrick: posts the ante 300
thepif1: posts the ante 300
bogaras: posts the ante 300
Zatok: posts the ante 300
Yellowdoyle: posts the ante 300
Dudley33: posts the ante 300
coctopus: posts small blind 3000
sarahw1: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yellowdoyle [Ad Kh]
SinisaM: folds
Dedrick: folds
thepif1: folds
bogaras: raises 38667 to 44667 and is all-in
Zatok: folds
Yellowdoyle: ???

I am 7 out of 27 this one.

My first thoughts on the previous hand (JJ) was to fold. My first thoughts on this hand was to call. Are these right on?

This has more to do with the chips of the opponent than the strength of my hand. But I do think with AK you are more likely to have villain dominated.

grafyx · #3 03-31-2006, 07:00 PM

This isn't that similar. For one, you are not closing the action. There are 3 players left to act, one of whom has you covered. You are also in much better chip position, you have 30 BBs, 2nd in your table.

I fold this. I'm not sure you can fold into the money at this point, but I think you are too close to being able to fold in to call a 15BB push.

ssx22 · #4 03-31-2006, 07:03 PM

I agree, I would fold. If you are able to pick your spots and risk as little chips as possible for a couple of orbits, you're likely ITM.

grafyx · #5 03-31-2006, 07:05 PM

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Another hand....I really am struggling with these decisions for the sats.

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Open up the other tables and get an idea of how short the stacks are on the other tables. As chipleader at your table, you seem to be in pretty good shape. I'm folding (and maybe stalling a bit) pretty much everything until I get in a more dangerous chip position.

yellowdoyle · #6 03-31-2006, 07:06 PM

Those are 2 good points. (closing the action and my stack size).

I think I see what you guys were saying about the tens, folding those was a mistake. I was more sure of myself folding JJ in this case though, then I was folding the tens in the other situation.

yellowdoyle · #7 03-31-2006, 07:17 PM

You guys like the line on this? Is the river bet good?

PokerStars Game #4477177073: Tournament #21923450, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (4000/8000) - 2006/03/31 - 18:14:00 (ET)
Table '21923450 40' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: coctopus (76788 in chips)
Seat 2: sarahw1 (132448 in chips)
Seat 4: Dedrick (86044 in chips)
Seat 5: thepif1 (9843 in chips)
Seat 6: bogaras (41967 in chips)
Seat 7: Zatok (70452 in chips)
Seat 8: Yellowdoyle (129533 in chips)
Seat 9: Dudley33 (135200 in chips) is sitting out
coctopus: posts the ante 400
sarahw1: posts the ante 400
Dedrick: posts the ante 400
thepif1: posts the ante 400
bogaras: posts the ante 400
Zatok: posts the ante 400
Yellowdoyle: posts the ante 400
Dudley33: posts the ante 400
Dudley33: posts small blind 4000
coctopus: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yellowdoyle [Kd Kh]
sarahw1: folds
Dedrick: raises 8000 to 16000
thepif1: calls 9443 and is all-in
bogaras: folds
Zatok: folds
Yellowdoyle: calls 16000
Dudley33: folds
coctopus: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d Kc Jh]
Dedrick: checks
Yellowdoyle: checks
*** TURN *** [6d Kc Jh] [Th]
Dedrick: checks
Yellowdoyle: checks
*** RIVER *** [6d Kc Jh Th] [6s]
Dedrick: checks
Yellowdoyle: bets 16000
Dedrick: calls 16000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Yellowdoyle: shows [Kd Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Sixes)
Dedrick: mucks hand
Dudley33 has returned
Yellowdoyle collected 45114 from side pot
thepif1: mucks hand
Yellowdoyle collected 43529 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 88643 Main pot 43529. Side pot 45114. | Rake 0
Board [6d Kc Jh Th 6s]
Seat 1: coctopus (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: sarahw1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Dedrick mucked [9s 9d]
Seat 5: thepif1 mucked [As Jc]
Seat 6: bogaras folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Zatok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Yellowdoyle (button) showed [Kd Kh] and won (88643) with a full house, Kings full of Sixes
Seat 9: Dudley33 (small blind) folded before Flop

Fireball_AA · #8 03-31-2006, 07:22 PM

Hand 1 : He his going to seriously hurt you, so you want to fold.

Hand 2 : You are way ahead don't hurt you too much so Call.

Hand 3 : I go all-in pre-flop, I want to eliminate the other player but my hand is strong enough to be playing the pot 1 vs 1. I would call with AK and check it down. Also, the pot is huge 16k+9k+blinds you don't want the other player to suck out on you.

grafyx · #9 03-31-2006, 07:28 PM

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Hand 3 : I go all-in pre-flop, I want to eliminate the other player but my hand is strong enough to be playing the pot 1 vs 1. I would call with AK and check it down. Also, the pot is huge 16k+9k+blinds you don't want the other player to suck out on you.

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Going all in here would be terrible IMO. I'm trying to decide if he should fold preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think he can fold into the money at this point.

Fireball_AA · #10 03-31-2006, 07:37 PM

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Going all in here would be terrible IMO. I'm trying to decide if he should fold preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think he can fold into the money at this point.

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I like that! Tell me more about this? Don't you want to eliminate players? 24 players left (or so) so 5 more to go, vilain #1 (who has 86k) doesn't want to play for all his chips. His move is not even good if he has AA, so I would take him out of the pot. If you call, the flop comes 2-5-8 and he bets (with his overpair) do you fold? I don;t like the call, I would Push or fold.

Maybe I am too agressive with my stack here, but I don't think call is good.

Please tell me why I am so wrong! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
I want to improve my Sat play [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]