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Old 03-28-2006, 12:15 AM
DZgroundhog DZgroundhog is offline
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Default Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

I'm copying this post from a different forum because I have disagreed with everybody else who has responded so far and I know you guys are way better at this stuff than myself or anybody over there. There's no information about the payout structure and I have no clue where these stone cold reads on UTG+1 and Button came from.

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* 36 player tourney
* T2500 starting amount
* Blinds are currently 100/200 (this round just started)
* Rounds are 20 minutes
* Next round is 150/300
* There are 22 players remaining
* Your table is 8-handed.
* You are in the big blind for 200 and you have 1850 remaining in front of you (excluding your blind money).
* You have AhKh.
* The UTG + 1 player looks at his cards and hesitates. After about 5 seconds he pushes all in for his last 1400.
* It folds around to the button, who looks at his cards and very quickly pushes all in for his last 1450 and says "Well - I guess I have no choice".
* It costs you 1250 to call. There is 3150 in the pot.
* If you call and lose you will be down to 600 and be in the small blind next hand for 100.
* Your read is that UTG + 1 has a small pair and the button has a big ace.

What do you do and why?
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:54 AM
M.B.E. M.B.E. is offline
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Default Re: Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

Call, and hope neither has a pair, but if one of them does (or both) then your pot odds are not too bad. (As long as the pocket pair isn't AA or KK of course.)
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:07 AM
flyingmoose flyingmoose is offline
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Default Re: Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

Call. Quickly.

As for why -- what can I say? I like playing big hands in big pots when getting big odds. I don't think it's a leak.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:18 AM
Jiggymike Jiggymike is offline
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Default Re: Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

If you fold and then play SB, you will be down to 1750, a little less than 6x the initial pot. Your stack is getting small but because of the long rounds you aren't in HORRIBLE shape...just bad shape. Do you have any better reads than just guessing at what they have? All you have to do is be relatively sure that neither has AA or KK, although KK is actually marginally ok as long as the other player doesn't have an ace since you would be getting so-so odds that way considering your equity. I think you have to gamble here but you might be alright to let the hand go and wait for a spot where you have the first-in vigorish (you make the raise, don't call it).
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:26 AM
DZgroundhog DZgroundhog is offline
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Default Re: Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

Okay, that's what I figured. For some reason, I didn't trust my math because everybody else said to fold. I'm glad everybody on the other forum plays at the same B&M as me.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: Two shorter stacks push in front of AKs in BB...

[ QUOTE ]
"Well - I guess I have no choice".

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What did he have? QQ or less doesn't want an overcall, and saying that doesn't project strength, exactly. This screams AA/KK, unless my read says he's a knucklehead and would announce AQ/TT like this.
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