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#63
03-27-2006, 01:45 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
so what are results?
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#64
03-27-2006, 01:49 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
Contary to what Aaron thinks when he posted the optimal line, I think semi-bluffing the flop here is wrong.
-If Aaron has an A, he's not folding -If he doesn't, he's folding to the turn semi-bluff The fact that Aaron has been aggro most of the match and is likely to donk the turn, negating any effects for the free card means that the raise on the flop does nothing: 1. He's not going to get a free card 2. He's not going to get aaron to fold I would rather call the flop and then raise any non-A turn.
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#65
03-27-2006, 02:01 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
I very much disagree. I think Aaron's range is quite wide. There are some Kx's and the weaker PP's that I'd love to fold on the flop. Even if he doesn't fold, I'm swimming in equity. Between the flush and the backdoor straight, I'm in pretty good shape: 40-44%. Finally, I would not at all put it past Aaron into FPSing himself into giving me a free card the way he's been throwing around c/r's. Considering how good my equity is, he doesn't have to fold a better hand or give me a free card very frequently at all for my raise to be +EV.
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#66
03-27-2006, 02:06 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
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Finally, I would not at all put it past Aaron into FPSing himself into giving me a free card the way he's been throwing around c/r's. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Aaron is betting all the way" is another hint. [/ QUOTE ] Which is it? Anything he has that you want him to fold on the flop he will fold on the turn. Giving him a free card doesn't hurt you nearly as much as it can help you.
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#68
03-27-2006, 02:37 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
[ QUOTE ]
Contary to what Aaron thinks when he posted the optimal line, I think semi-bluffing the flop here is wrong. -If Aaron has an A, he's not folding -If he doesn't, he's folding to the turn semi-bluff The fact that Aaron has been aggro most of the match and is likely to donk the turn, negating any effects for the free card means that the raise on the flop does nothing: 1. He's not going to get a free card 2. He's not going to get aaron to fold I would rather call the flop and then raise any non-A turn. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh... this is such a complicated hand. You make very good points here. Time to go think some more...
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#69
03-27-2006, 09:38 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
[ QUOTE ]
Contary to what Aaron thinks when he posted the optimal line, I think semi-bluffing the flop here is wrong. -If Aaron has an A, he's not folding -If he doesn't, he's folding to the turn semi-bluff The fact that Aaron has been aggro most of the match and is likely to donk the turn, negating any effects for the free card means that the raise on the flop does nothing: 1. He's not going to get a free card 2. He's not going to get aaron to fold I would rather call the flop and then raise any non-A turn. [/ QUOTE ] Thank god someone said it. This is the first time I've seen this thread and this is the very first thing I thought. It's taken me until the third last post before it's even mentioned. Wookie should never be raising this flop. Aaron, you should definitely have c/r'ed the river if you boated up.
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#70
03-27-2006, 10:31 AM
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Re: From the 2+2 table
The thing that hits me from reading this thread (as an inexperienced but actively studying player) is how unprepared for this sort of discussion the books I've read (Lee Jones WLLHE and Hilger's Internet Texas Hold'Em) have left me.
Now, my first reaction would be "well, I'm just playing 10c/20c, I don't need to worry about this just yet." But I feel I need to be somewhere inbetween; ie understanding a lot more of this thread than I actually do. Or maybe "understanding" is the wrong word. I feel more like I can't even relate to it. Which is a bit scary. If anyone can point me towards some reading that would be good.
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