Burning Cards On-line

Hunter898 · #1 12-01-2007, 01:22 PM

Thanks everyone. I understand and was trying to avoid rummaging through boxes for my statistics books.

David, In your last paragraph you suggest that a burn procedure would have an affect on the deck. Would this impact play? My argument all along has been to include the burns in some virtual games to make the virtual and casino games procedurally equivalant.

Oh and Ray Zee, please spare me the condescending attitude. When a student asks a question and the teacher says "You are ignorant," which is obvious, then it's not the teacher's goal to educate, but to demean. It would appear that while I'm here to learn a bit, you are here to attempt to gratify a hollow ego. Pick on someone who can offer a challenge. It's not easy, but it is rewarding.

RustyBrooks · #2 12-01-2007, 04:13 PM

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David, In your last paragraph you suggest that a burn procedure would have an affect on the deck. Would this impact play? My argument all along has been to include the burns in some virtual games to make the virtual and casino games procedurally equivalant.

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He was wrong (I think he admitted this in a later post), burning a card does not affect the outcome. Burning all the cards but one does not affect the outcome.

This sometimes helps people (and sometimes not). Instead of thinking of a bag of cards, think of a stack of cards. Every possible ordering of the cards is equally likely, right? You have the choice to draw one card off the top, or burn and draw the next card.

The As is the top card 1/10 times. It's the 2nd card 1/10 times. It's the 3rd card 1/10 times, and so forth.

So, drawing the first card means you get the A 1/10 times
Burning 1 and drawing the 2nd card means you get the A 1/10 times
Burning 2 and drawing the 3rd card means you get the A 1/10 times
and so forth.

pzhon · #3 12-01-2007, 05:19 PM

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Oh and Ray Zee, please spare me the condescending attitude.

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One day, you may learn who Ray Zee is, and realize how ridiculous you sound here. You should be grateful that he took a couple of minutes to describe a simple way to see that burn cards do not matter. If you had some perspective on the problem, you wouldn't view what he said as condescending.

Hunter898 · #4 12-02-2007, 12:07 AM

You are right pzhon. After a couple of days of thinking and discussing this, really asserting what I thought was right, I came here. It was not until I read the equation you posted that the light came on and my delusion collapsed in a good way, I was looking for it. However, I've been taking a good beating on another site, justly so, and while enlightenment is the blessing, then the implosion of a delusion is an ego buster. I did react emotionally.

Ray Zee, I appreciate the feedback, now, though earlier today, in a different state of mind, I received it poorly. I apologize for characterizing your intent as other than it is.