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Old 11-30-2007, 03:31 AM
llHessll llHessll is offline
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Default Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)

1 out of 50 hands? Once every 6 rounds? C'mon, you've got to be slightly exaggerating...

He raised from early-mid position (5x also) and he's raised 2 out of ~ last 120 hands or something. I'd put him on AK, AA-TT, maybe 99. Perhaps I can squeeze a little profit out of him if an ace or king flops, but you'd think that would be countered by those few times he's got aces or kings and a king flops, or jacks on an AJ5 flop...
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:35 AM
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It just kind of shocks me how much people over value AK, and I love it when guys stack off to me at full ring with AK against my big pair... It's the SITUATION that leads me to think a fold might be correct. Mind you, I usually play AK fast and aggressive... but player dependency... come one..
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:38 AM
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but player dependency... come one..

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I know. This is why you should 3bet here.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:42 AM
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OK, I three bet, he's got the range I gave him. Random flop, I miss 2/3 of the time obv. and continuation bet. He's calling here the majority of the time and I'm now lost. Keep in mind he's almost certainly calling my three bet, if not 4-betting himself, and I'm not getting any action on a flop I hit unless we're chopping or he's got me CRUSHED. This is definately negative G-Bucks. I like G-Bucks.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:51 AM
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OK, I three bet, he's got the range I gave him. Random flop, I miss 2/3 of the time obv. and continuation bet. He's calling here the majority of the time and I'm now lost. Keep in mind he's almost certainly calling my three bet, if not 4-betting himself, and I'm not getting any action on a flop I hit unless we're chopping or he's got me CRUSHED. This is definately negative G-Bucks. I like G-Bucks.

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well, I like $$$ so thats why I take the actions I do.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:57 AM
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You should reraise here. I'd make it something like $3.5
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:59 AM
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I'd love to be convinced otherwise with a little logic and maybe even, dare I say, math but I'm not really hearing any explanations or insight, just "wtf", "ban", et cetera.

Let's ASSUME opponents range is AA-99, AK, and AQs. Now should I be reraising AK here? Mind you, this is 25NL and villian is a typical calling station.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:28 AM
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Curiosity question: To all the people saying to reraise, would you also reraise if he was 40/2 over 1000 hands? (This is hypothetical situation, you've never seen him show down any of the hands he raised with) If so, why? If not, why?

I feel like OP is being treated unfairly here. Nobody has given him an explanation. Telling someone to do something won't help them learn why they're supposed to do it. I believe there are valid reasons for reraising, but not one person has mentioned any of them. "Liking money" and "ZOMG IT'S ACE KING!" are not valid explanations.

Example of an Explanation:
Although you would expect 40/2 's to raise only the nuts preflop, it so happens that a lot of them limp Aces and Kings and choose to raise every once in a while with some dopey hands.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:08 AM
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He raised from early-mid position (5x also) and he's raised 2 out of ~ last 120 hands or something. I'd put him on AK, AA-TT, maybe 99. Perhaps I can squeeze a little profit out of him if an ace or king flops, but you'd think that would be countered by those few times he's got aces or kings and a king flops, or jacks on an AJ5 flop...

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You have 41% equity vs. that range, and you're folding AK for 5BBs to a donk when you have position on him? Do you know how easily most people like him stack off? Your implied odds are great. You should be calling or raising him in this situation with any pair and some unpaired hands as well.

Oh and also, his 2% PFR% doesn't necessarily mean he's only raising the top 2% of hands. Donks love limping AA-QQ, AK, etc.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:39 AM
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wait..what?
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