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#1
11-25-2007, 04:59 AM
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Re: FTP (12): what do we need to shove here?
SNGwiz spits out like 55+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs with UTG shoving about 30% and with the others overcalling 15% save the BB who calls 20%. You can go wider if UTG opens wider
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#2
11-25-2007, 10:06 AM
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Re: FTP (12): what do we need to shove here?
I would play much much tighter than normal, there is no "dead money" because you win nothing if you don't win the showdown. Basically you are shoving into blinds of 100/200 or so since you are only looking to fold the others out so that you can play HU with about half of the equity that is in the pot now (unless you have a monster obv) and you can never win uncontested.
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#3
11-25-2007, 10:20 AM
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Re: FTP (12): what do we need to shove here?
im lost on your argument.
we're playing 100/200 effective bb? i dont see this since everyone involved has >1bb, and how do you come out with half the pot equity? Would any better than random hand suit your argument? The play is extremely short stacked, and I would assume utg is extremely wide here (well over the above-posted 30% range) and hero cannot just fold into the money. I think all of the above would make playing really tight here kinda sucky if the table is reasonable/not manics. Also, the fact that the players arent observant leads me to believe that the bb wont be calling as wide as he should be.
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11-26-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: FTP (12): what do we need to shove here?
ICM Nash Calculator Results
That gives 12.5%, 44+ A7s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo QJs if UTG is pushing 30%. The overcall ranges may be a bit tight but I think the 15% and 20% blackize said are too loose cos poker is a teamsport after all and people tend to respect a shove here. If we scoop the 3-way pot we're CL or close to it. And if we fold we'll take a sngpt -ev spot anyway. I guess the range is pretty close to the same as it'd be if UTG had folded. Fold most of the SCs and weak aces?
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