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Old 11-22-2007, 03:32 PM
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i dont understand the flop if you are sticking it in on the turn. that card shouldnt make a huge difference and he shouldnt be stacking off now if he has a queen only.

if were content getting it AI here then i think we should 3b hte flop

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waiting to see if the 4th heart comes out before making a move is good a lot of the time
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:33 PM
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waiting to see if the 4th heart comes out before making a move is good a lot of the time

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Villain is 2+2 though.

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if were content getting it AI here then i think we should 3b hte flop

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Considered it, but I really didn't like the idea of a 3-bet here. If the money goes in on the flop, I'm in much worse shape than if it goes in on a blank turn.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: Top set on SOAKING wet board.

depends on feel imo how i play this. history with villain and how i think he views me. I like it.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:39 PM
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I just get it in on the flop.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Top set on SOAKING wet board.

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It's annoying that we're deep here. However I would still prefer to B3B the flop since we have top set. We max out the value vs the two lower sets and worst case scenario we have like 40% equity. We also charge him for drawing with Ah.
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Top set on SOAKING wet board.

any other votes for 3-bet?
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:41 PM
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id like you to respond to my question about how its better to get it in on the turn.
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:09 PM
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id like you to respond to my question about how its better to get it in on the turn.

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Because equity wise it isn't going to make much of a difference either way: a)he has 22/44 and is crushed or b)he flopped a flush and I'm drawing to 7 outs. My equity against a flush doesn't change all THAT much from the flop to the turn. That, combined w/ the fact that I think his range for getting it on the flop is much stronger than the turn, is what made me take this line.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:38 PM
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if were content getting it AI here then i think we should 3b hte flop

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Considered it, but I really didn't like the idea of a 3-bet here. If the money goes in on the flop, I'm in much worse shape than if it goes in on a blank turn.

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how is this possible. people stack off with FD's on the flop all the time but are not so prone to do so on hte turn with one card left to come where they dont have as much equity
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:36 PM
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i dont understand the flop if you are sticking it in on the turn. that card shouldnt make a huge difference and he shouldnt be stacking off now if he has a queen only.

if were content getting it AI here then i think we should 3b hte flop

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waiting to see if the 4th heart comes out before making a move is good a lot of the time

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explain why?

imo when we dont see the card come out and hes still jamming it up we should logically think he has a flush, no? then we stick our money in with worse equity then we have on the flop. letting him set his own price on the flop prices him into drawing on us then we basically have to c/f or b/f any heart turn.
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