fish donking the river

[shane88888]

I think this is a really easy call. Fish donk at all sorts of strange cards. I'm often surprised at what I see at showdown. A donk bet is weaker hand way more than 1/10. If this was multiway, then that changes everything obviously.

I'd call, make a note, and keep calling this villain in this spot until I have a read that he is incapable of bluffing.

[rzk]

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He has a flush most of the time, you can't raise.

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Those discount the flush? why, he played his hand like a flush draw, and bet when it hits. Looks like a flush to me.

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not saying raising is right, but imo we do have to discount flushes compared to say K4. i think a loose passive is much more likely to check raise a player who has shown strength throughout the hand with a flush than with a weak two-pair. my guess is if he has a flush he c/r here around 40-60% of the time.

[johnnyrocket]

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folding here is bad.

I played those stakes as well and regardless of limits when fish donks here they can have a lot more than flushes.

Getting 10.5 he needs to have you beat about 92% for you to fold.

Seriously. You cant ever fold here unless you have a VERY VERY good read.

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agreed, look at the numbers, i dont get why the guy above said if ur good 50% then do something, this isnt a raising spot clearly, call and take notes

[TheHip41]

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He has a flush most of the time, you can't raise.

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Those discount the flush? why, he played his hand like a flush draw, and bet when it hits. Looks like a flush to me.

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not saying raising is right, but imo we do have to discount flushes compared to say K4. i think a loose passive is much more likely to check raise a player who has shown strength throughout the hand with a flush than with a weak two-pair. my guess is if he has a flush he c/r here around 40-60% of the time.

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loose passives don't c/r. they chase, they hit, they bet.

This guy will have a flush alot, two pair some, one pair some, and a broken draw some.

I think you are underestimating how often this guy is actually going to have a flush here.

[rzk]

i don't know, in my experience "loose passive" is a vague enough description to discount check-raises by much.