How should I play overpairs oop?

[chumofchance]

Not to sound like a jerk, but this is way too broad of a question to get any meaningful replies. But basically, by 3betting so small you give your opponents great odds to call with speculative hands. For example, in the first hand villain would have to be retarded to fold 33 there. He'll get to play the hand IP and he has a much better idea of what you hold than vice versa.

Aside from that, what kind of response are you looking for other than "learn to read hands better"?

[pp262]

3bet larger pre, shove river hand 1

[Newman30]

a few too many arrogant answers.

@cbboy
absolutely atrocious!
- why not say the 3-bets are a bad size and should be (what ever size you recommend) because I have to bet at least pot and I am oop, so preferably more - Something constructive, without arrogance.

@chumofchance
Aside from that, what kind of response are you looking for other than "learn to read hands better"?
- it is just completely arrogant. Yes, you sound a bit like a jerk just there - congratulations. But your explanation is good though.

I'm almost tired of asking questions in here, because I know that I will get arrogant answers. Still I do get answers and that is better than nothing. But it is a shame.

Thank you Suwalski for a constructive answer that is not arrogant.

[cbboy]

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a few too many arrogant answers.

@cbboy
absolutely atrocious!
- why not say the 3-bets are a bad size and should be (what ever size you recommend) because I have to bet at least pot and I am oop, so preferably more - Something constructive, without arrogance.

@chumofchance
Aside from that, what kind of response are you looking for other than "learn to read hands better"?
- it is just completely arrogant. Yes, you sound a bit like a jerk just there - congratulations. But your explanation is good though.

I'm almost tired of asking questions in here, because I know that I will get arrogant answers. Still I do get answers and that is better than nothing. But it is a shame.

Thank you Suwalski for a constructive answer that is not arrogant.

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No arrogance there. But your right. I apologize. I should have said whats better. A good guideline to follow is make it 3x their open IP and 4x OOP.

[ikestoys]

raise more pf... run better. this isn't hard

[LucidDream]

hand 1 almost 4x PF r/r...shove river his calling range will be wider than his value shoving range

hand 2) 4.5x r/r w/ caller in the middle

and stop 1/2 potting every street

[Newman30]

Ok, you are forgiven. Thanks for the elaboration.

Wouldn't it be correct to bet pot in position and 25% more oop. So the raise must take in account the number of callers of the initial raise. x3 in position and x4 oop are a good guideline when there is only one opponent. When there is more, we have to make a calculation of what to bet in order to bet pot in position and 25% more oop.

Ok suppose we had reraised to $96 in the first hand. I seems most people here can agree on that it would be a good size raise. That would make villain pay $72 to see the flop. In order to set mine he has to have more than 7.5:1 (reversed chances to hit a set) in the shortest of our stacks compared to the price of the call, in order to make if profitable. He has $600 left, so that is 600:72 ~ 9:1. So at first sight he has good enough odds to still call with a small pair, but as good players we do not only reraise with the nuts, and he cannot always count on that we will stack off with them to his set, when he does hit. So the raise is still fine.

Most of us can agree on that line. Let’s say he calls anyway. We then bet 2/3 on the flop. So the scenario is as follows:

SB Hero($1762)
CO($696)

Preflop Hero is in SB with Kc Kd
CO raises to 24$, Hero reraises to $96, CO calls

Flop ($198) 9d 2h 3s
Hero bets $135, CO calls

What is the line to take now folks?

[Praetor]

shove

[annex21]

already said but your 3betting should be bigger, usually a little bit more than the pot size. Also, you should be betting about 2/3 pot on the flop, and getting it AI with KK there on the turn there.
Hand 2 I am bet/folding the turn and if he calls probably check/folding. Against this villain there are a ton of draws so I like charging him for them especially if he is playing them passively.

[ronjeremy]

When 3 betting you should at least make it pot when in position and slightly more than pot when out of postion that way your not giving hands like 33 or 68s odds to call. When i get a player calling a 3 bet I usually put them on a range of hands like AK,JJ,or QQ, sometimes players will get tricky with AA and trap but more often than not if ur up agaist AA or KK the $ is going all in.The second hand you made a 3x raise more than the 1st hand but with the utg limpers $ in the pot you again gave the button odds to call.Anytime you get a call on flop and turn then a shove any overpair is probably behind.Lets make an Ex. of hand # two. blinds at 3-6 UTG raises to 24, button calls 24, pot size now 57$ you raise it to $100 remember ur out of position. now utg folds and button has to call $76. at that point we all know any utg raise is usually indicates a strong hand and now ur making a real raise and you putting some real pressure on the button and theres no way the 68s makes the call.