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Old 11-18-2007, 11:27 AM
eurythmech eurythmech is offline
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Default Re: $16 - AJs vs LAGG on bubble

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Don't forget, LAG != bad.


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Show me two lags in the 16s that aren't bad.
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:33 AM
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Don't forget, LAG != bad.


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Show me two lags in the 16s that aren't bad.

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Well, I don't play 16s, but the_venetian and albatross77 aren't bad at all and played 16s not so long ago.
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:47 AM
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I have The_Venetian at 15/13 over 1359 hands and albatross77 at 14/8 over smaller sample.
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:22 PM
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I'm shoving here. I don't like spewing 300 chips by calling and c/f every missed flop. Also if we do hit, since it's the bubble, we won't be able to extract that much value for fear of busting. Unless we flop absolutely huge we can't be confident in our hand, BTN opener can have a better ace and such.
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:27 PM
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I'm shoving here. I don't like spewing 300 chips by calling and c/f every missed flop. Also if we do hit, since it's the bubble, we won't be able to extract that much value for fear of busting. Unless we flop absolutely huge we can't be confident in our hand, BTN opener can have a better ace and such.

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The reasoning that he could have a better ace supports calling preflop not shoving. If you call preflop here and hit top pair you basically should be playing for stacks. I call generally, though against someone super aggressive I would just go ahead and shove.
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AJs vs LAGG on bubble

I meant to say that he does have a wide opening range here, but if we do hit, we are playing passively and won't be comfortable playing for stacks b/c it's the bbl. Openers aggressiveness can cause us to muck the best hand.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AJs vs LAGG on bubble

If he's LAG don't we want to take advantage of the fact that he's raising a ton by pushing here? I think calling is not great because we have to c/f like 2/3 of the time when we don't hit TPTK, and even if we do hit TPTK, he might just give up and we can't stack him because he backs off. His random hand or medium pp or whatever is not calling OTB when the flop is A72 and we are happy. I like to push here.
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:00 PM
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If he's LAG don't we want to take advantage of the fact that he's raising a ton by pushing here? I think calling is not great because we have to c/f like 2/3 of the time when we don't hit TPTK, and even if we do hit TPTK, he might just give up and we can't stack him because he backs off. His random hand or medium pp or whatever is not calling OTB when the flop is A72 and we are happy. I like to push here.

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