10NL - Flopped set, value extraction OOP

gregorio · #1 11-17-2007, 03:46 AM

Flop, I think leading is fine, but c/r is also okay since his stack is small enough that you can get it all in by river with a c/r on flop (with bigger stacks, you might need to bet/3bet flop to build pot enough to get it all in). Like alobar, i lead smaller on flop because i think it is more likely you will get chance to 3bet.

I don't see how you can get more value out of this hand, especially since you got the Turn c/r in. YOu got 2 streets of value against what was probably not a very strong hand. If he has overpair or AJ, with his stack size you probably get his stack no matter how you play the flop and turn. If he has a hand worse than AJ, there is probably no way you get more value than you did. Part of getting value from a set is getting villain to also have a big draw or TP or better. If they don't have that, there's not a lot you can do to trick them into giving you their stack.

Ulkis · #2 11-17-2007, 07:39 AM

Actually the 2nd way is correct. If villain wants to call he is getting 2-to-1 which is what PSR is all about, apparently.

PSR seems intuitively too high to me.

akak · #3 11-17-2007, 10:36 AM

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Actually the 2nd way is correct. If villain wants to call he is getting 2-to-1 which is what PSR is all about, apparently.

PSR seems intuitively too high to me.

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After doing some searching, yah I guess you're right. I agree, it definitely feels too big. I mean look at the turn then:

Turn: ($2.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button bets $1.75, Hero raises to $7.75</font>

It's not very intuitive at all. PSR would seem to imply raising the size of the pot. ie, after button bets, the pot is 4.25, so increase his bet by 4.25. raise it the size of the pot.

Still haven't really wrapped my head around this yet. It just feels wrong, but the math works out.

I can't see my self using pot sized raises all that often. Certainly not on the turn. How often do you need to lay your opponent 2:1 on the turn? When he's on an open ended straight flush draw?

Ulkis · #4 11-17-2007, 10:45 AM

I agree with you akak. How do you adjust your play in a table where opponents are still thinking absolute $, not relative, and they bet 2$ into a 13$ pot? If you bet 9$ which is still only 2/3P it seems so scary and high.

I am sure there are threads about this topic @ theory forum so I will do some searching there tonite.