NL 25: AK in 3-bet Pot

[BadBigBabar]

um don't fold the flop

[Berge20]

Wow, I don't belive this at all. Guys, look beyond my holding and lets think about this.

We have 2 TAGs and a sLAG in a 3-bet pot. Our ranges are not that big--mine is probably the biggest, but it's not that huge.

Say the EP villian has TT+ AQs+ with maybe, maybe, a suited connector. MP looks mightly like a small-mid pair. These guys may not be the best, but they have a decent grasp of the situation. EP is leading into two players in a 3-bet pot who can easily hold at least AK. To me, that screams total strength, by any measure. He's committed to the pot with his bet.

What hands would he do that with that I beat?
AK is certainly possible for the split.
QQ--into two people in a 3bet pot with a King up? No
Big draw probably is CR AI here

Am I crazy?!??!?

[toxzen]

push all day on the flop. i mean, what were you expecting to flop with AK?

[Chargers In 07]

[ QUOTE ]
push all day on the flop. i mean, what were you expecting to flop with AK?

[/ QUOTE ]That's right, never reevaluate during hands. TPTK arrrr in. /sarcasm

Berge, they may have a clue but I think AK is still the nuts here. UTG is not potting any hand that beats AK imo, he may bet them but he isn't potting.

[Specialwon]

1. 3 bet more pf, I bet 5 here.

2. Easy laydown of AK at NL50 or higher. Here it's not clear but I think I might push, most NL25 players call 3 bets lighter than they should (particularly where you don't bet enough) and he has such a high aggression factor that QQ/TT/AQ are all in his range.

Def push with AA

[AllTheCheese]

I agree with Berge that we beat absolutely nothing a TAG pots into two people with.

Any questioning "Why would he bet full pot if he beats AK?!":
a) Answers itself by being asked
b) Is just leveling yourself into going broke when you shouldn't

[random50]

"Big draw probably is CR AI here"

Hmmm. A big draw is prepared to draw, but *really* just wants to take the pot down. Doesn't a strong lead out bet, which is effectively an AI, give his two opponents much less enticing pot odds to call than CR AI?

Plus...AF 5!

If he *has* hit big, is he really going to bet pot and risk scaring both of you off? Thanks to your huge PF raise he has no need to be sizing that large to get AI by the river and he can also strongly expect one of you to bet hard if he checks or puts in a small bet.

[Berge20]

I really think this is a prime example of us the "it's a NL25 game and you have TPTK, so stack off" mentality.

It's suicide for a player to lead into two reasonable players on that flop (in a 3-bet pot) with a bluff. His high aggro stat is more from him being very agressive with his hands preflop/flop, and IMO, isn't a sign of craziness.

Thanks for the thoughts though. This is what makes the game interesting, we all see things a bit different.

[GiantBuddha]

My first thought was that folding the flop was nuts. My second thought was that EP would be nuts leading here with less than AK. My third thought is that MANY people seem to be confused as to what AF indicates.

AF is not a quantitative stat. It's a ratio of two quatities. The number of times the player was aggresive (bet/raise) over the number of times the player was passive (call). Notice that checking and folding are not included here. A high AF can come from lots of betting and raising (bluffing, light value betting, etc), or from lots of checking and folding (playing fit or fold). For instance, a set miner will have a high AF despite never bluffing because he's check/folding every flop he doesn't crush. When he hits, then he bets.

AF is a useful stat, but like anything else, only when it's properly interpreted, and mostly in conjunction with other stats (freq of flop bet, folds to c-bet, etc.).