skier well

GtrHtr · #1 11-16-2007, 02:21 PM

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when you were at 1/2 what was your biggest leak/issue?

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getting it in too much when the other guy wanted to.

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i have this leak too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], how did you combat it?

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I understand the leak you described - I think - but if you (skier) would give an example that would be great.

Maulik · #2 11-16-2007, 11:44 PM

Nice well.

Can you discuss the flop/check-raise? I'm having a hard time finding boards to make this move as a bluff.

p.s.
Hopefully the weather is better in Praha, you didn't miss much in Amsterdam, late fall isn't the time to see Europe.

skier_5 · #3 11-17-2007, 11:05 PM

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Nice well.

Can you discuss the flop/check-raise? I'm having a hard time finding boards to make this move as a bluff.

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Hopefully the weather is better in Praha, you didn't miss much in Amsterdam, late fall isn't the time to see Europe.

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not sure quite how much i wanna discuss this, but i'll talk about it a bit i guess.

Against thinking opponents you should really be trying to do it on boards that hit your range. At lower stakes, as long as you don't overdo it (and maybe even then) people will probably just fold if they dont have a pretty good hand. so you might want to consider c/r bluffing boards that it's difficult to continue on/or hit a hand. especially ones that they might cbet like every time with their whole range. Also, backdoor draws, gutshots, overcards, etc help a lot as well.

Ship Ship McGipp · #4 11-17-2007, 11:08 PM

member i used to own your soul back in the day

skier_5 · #5 11-17-2007, 11:11 PM

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member i used to own your soul back in the day

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pretty sure it went both ways, at least a bit anyways.

bubaloo · #6 11-17-2007, 11:27 PM

if you could go back in time a year and give yourself 1 piece of poker related advice, what would it be?

skier_5 · #7 11-17-2007, 01:35 AM

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when you were at 1/2 what was your biggest leak/issue?

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getting it in too much when the other guy wanted to.

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i have this leak too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], how did you combat it?

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I understand the leak you described - I think - but if you (skier) would give an example that would be great.

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It's pretty opponent dependent, but things like when that nit, or even TAG raises you and you have top pair, you can just fold. sure he migggght be bluffing, but usually he isn't. Ask yourself if this really is +EV.

I mean you can't just be a complete nit, but against a lot of people you have to be. Just be willing to give people credit unless they make a habit of it.

fees · #8 11-17-2007, 01:42 AM

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For different lines you have to make some assumptions, but I would assume there are 3 here.
1) shove
2) 3bet small
3) call and get it in on the turn

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so we are getting it in on brick turns as far as #3 goes. 1 is pretty self explanatory, but what about 2, whats the purpose of 2 and do we obviously call a shove at this point?

skier_5 · #9 11-17-2007, 02:24 AM

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For different lines you have to make some assumptions, but I would assume there are 3 here.
1) shove
2) 3bet small
3) call and get it in on the turn

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so we are getting it in on brick turns as far as #3 goes. 1 is pretty self explanatory, but what about 2, whats the purpose of 2 and do we obviously call a shove at this point?

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the small 3bet allows you to leave room for villian to rebluff and allows you to bluff smaller as well. This is especially useful with a strong draw since just shoving forces smaller draws to fold but if you 3bet small they can still shove thinking they have FE.

Snipe · #10 11-17-2007, 08:57 PM

Skier,

How do you go about determining an opponents 3bet range? I've been running into more and more 3bet monkeys recently and, while eventually they end up shoving bad over a 4bet bluff or stack off in some other spewtard way, I can't help but think that there is a more optimal way to deal with these guys than waiting for a premium hand. Still, 3bet ranges are a very player specific thing and take quite a while to converge; some people like to 3bet junk, some like hands that play well against your percieved opening range, some players tend to simply open up what would be their standard 3bet range to include less premium holdings.

So in summation, I'd like to understand your approach to determining players 3bet ranges.

Thanks