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Old 03-20-2006, 05:20 PM
houstonCT houstonCT is offline
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Playing a 1-2 nl cash game saturday night. I get JJ MP. Two limpers in front of me, I raise to 12$. Standard raises had been 8-10$. Guy next to me calls, BB calls and one of the EP limpers calls.

Flop is J-9-8 rainbow. Checked to me, I check, knowing he will take a stab and I will C/R him. Next to me bets 15$. Folds back to me. I raise an additional 35$ to see where he is. He immediately goes all in. I look at him and say " do you mean to tell me you called that raise with a Q-10?" to see if i could get anything out of him. Not that it would have done me much good, just testing. Nothing.

I couldnt lay it down if my life depended on it. I call, he flips Q-10o.

I had about 350$ he has about 125$, so not to big of a hit, but it hurt still, I had started with 150$.

How often does top set win with a gut buster straight on the board after the flop?

Is it ever EV+ to lay that down?

Thanks.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:22 PM
kolotoure kolotoure is offline
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

No
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

you can't ever fold there....even if he has the straight, with all the money in the pot you are getting odds to chase the FH with 2 to come....and most of the time he won't have the straight.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

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How often does top set win with a gut buster straight on the board after the flop?

Is it ever EV+ to lay that down?



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88.89%, and no.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:28 PM
houstonCT houstonCT is offline
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

thanks for replies.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:31 PM
Mr.K Mr.K is offline
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

Get your $$$ in. You're going to be ahead a lot of the time, and the times you aren't you have 10 outs twice. Don't even bother getting a read. When you flop top set like that, just plot a strategy to get all the money in.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: EV + or - and why

houstonCT,

Don't check flop.
Easy call when it gets back,
You fill up ~35% of the time
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