ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[RFJ]

No, but I wish I had kept all the hand histories. Back then I was under the impression in "tos agreement" that collecting data or hands the give unfair advantage was violation of service. As I have stated he could be using another set of alias's under a different ip, but we will never know because he can't be prosecuted and be put under investigation. They maybe able to find some evidence through a checking account, credit card, where he paid for some of the services. Even then he could be using some fraudulant alias like his grandma's info for the second ip. Never know, but would certainly help if some of his records could come to light. I hope that they get some law passed and that allow him to be prosecuted before that "3 years" clause ends.

Anyways a couple of days ago I found a strange activity on the lvl 4 step game. blinds were 300/600. Everyone folded it was only big blinds small blind. big blind had only 500 not even enough to cover the 600. Then small blind who has already 300 in the pot decides not go call the 200 instead folds. Any two cards he was getting odds. Not only that. He had more than enough chips to play. Also it was basically the cut off point where next hand you either drop down to level 2 from four or get to stay on level 4. Anyways i reported this and PP just said it was not considered collusion. Everything was in the up and up. Personally I don't even think PP has expert players that can review a situation and find it's collusion. They may have expert engineers working for them, but they need to hire great players that know about the game to know if it's suspicious of collusion. I won't make any conclusions because I didn't get to see the hole cards. Anyways things don't add up. There aren't enough people for me to use up all my chips anymore.

[RFJ]

You know what i've read many of the post here and found some interesting things..One of the things like well look at some of what he writes they are correct moves so that means he's a good player... Yes knowing how to play and actually playing is a totally different matter!! I could read you quotes from any books from brunson, harrington, sklansky, and all the pros that that books out there. Say Ev this and that!! Does that mean you will be playing like them? What if I were to throw you off a freaking plane and told you that no matter what don't open your parachute. If you deploy your chute you will for certainly die. That the chute will deploy automatically at a certain altitude. There is no saftey chute. Only one! And you believed everything I said. How long would you wait before pulling the cord? 10,000 feet? 5000? 1000? I don't know exactly the distance you need to pull the cord before being flattened, but how close would it have to be before you flinch and pull? How long before your instincts over ride your logic and you pull?

Now if I told you there is a safety precaution set in place that even if you were to pull prematurely. It will make the right adjustments to let you land safely 98% of the time. The only reason is that 2% of the time the safty precaution will fail. So don't rely on it. If you can at all posible wait for the right moment that will guarantee 100% safely returning to the ground.

I know the above statements sound ridiculous, but which will you take? All logic says that I should wait for the correct right time, but when the ground is getting closer and closer that's not what your really thinking about. Your emmotions take over!! Wouldn't it be great to have nine lives that you can take you chances.

Hear pros make comments like yeah he's a kid I knew he could make the call even if he had KK because to him 50k is a lot of money. 50k is nothing to mean so i'm shooting for first.

I willingly admit that I have lost money, not due to bad reads, but I just let emmotions get to me. call it *tilt* I knew I could push the person out of the pot, but sometimes you say [censored] can my luck get any worse all in..

Anyways i'm pretty sure now he may know much more intimatly how the game is played.. How often people can be pushed out of the pot. How he has to steal on the sngS when it's short handed. It's pretty easy if you already have two seats locked up in the same game. When you've got nothing to lose why not try steals. A much harder task when you can lose everything. While most players had to learn the gradual way of playing. He learned the fast way. When there is less risk to reward ratio. It's much easier to test new theories or ideas of how the hand should be played.

[Indiana]

RFJ,

You're too emotional about this. Just look at the length of your rants. Go focus on strategy and don't worry about this ZJ thing. Zee is greedy and he got caught. The poker community and PartyPoker have spoken. He's through.

Indy

[RFJ]

I'm not overly emmotional about it.. Yes, I know sometimes I can be overly critical or analytical. Thats just the way I am. Sometimes when I can't seem to figure out the answer to a problem I just can't sleep. Some things just keep me up at night. Some may say emmotional, but I just like to look at things and analyze and problem solve. I know that he did not do the time to fit the crime! and he's not through. He made off with over 200k for sure, this is a conservative estimate. He stole more along the lines of double that. I went to his website and looked at his posts. If you look through them. He cheated people for more than people think! He cheated me in two ways. When I played with him on the table, and all the chips I can't use because no freaking game will get started because of this coming to light. I hope PP gives me a refund on all the chips I have left, which I doubt. They cannot even use him as an example to stop other cheaters.. All I know is no more online...it's to the B&M from now on...

And this notion of him being through...WTF is that? I wish someone would give me 200k of stolen money so I can go to a B&M casino and play some high stakes...He's through..makes me laugh..He's not even under house arrest.

[August West]

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I'm not overly emmotional about it.. <snip> He made off with over 200k for sure, this is a conservative estimate. He stole more along the lines of double that.

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Well, I say that is emotional, but let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt. Ok, it's not emotional. But heck it is certainly not rational. He won the big scores legitimately. That was backed up by PS Lee Jones, and no one has come forward with any evidence that he didn't win the $110K legitimately at PP. And I would have to believe that people have scrutinized their HHs to try and find some evidence to the contrary. Plus there was no collusion at the SNGs.

[RFJ]

You obviously havn't read all of my posts. I have no proof. Your right. I didn't keep any of my hand histories. I wish I did. I'm probably not the only player who wished they did. He might have a two ips one for these set of alias he was caught with and another we don't even know about. And I highly doubt he didn't use collusion. Even if he did not he was getting more than his share of odds. I know more than 600 players play in these tournaments, but i will simplify it to 600 for example. The prize was based on the format that all players were getting 1/600 odds for their money. He had 6 entries. So 6/600 that's 1/100 odds. So basically playing a 1/600 odds tourament the prize would definately not be 100k it would be 17k. I even rounded up. There is a huge gap in prize. 100k vs 17k. He's getting to see many more hands than other players per turn. This thing about PS Lee Jones. They are not going to open up a can of worms and say he colluded. What if every player he knocked out came to PS demanding some kind of asking for some sort of compensation because he was found cheating?? Like I said I didn't even know about this till recently and it seems that it's been over a month since this has happened. What if players from the previous tourmanents he had won came up and said. Hey I took 2nd only because he took first. The person who took 3rd says I should have took 2nd, and all the way down the line demanding their money. From first to 1st to 2nd that's 50k difference. From 2nd to 3rd that's 20k. That's 70k right there. Add all the rest. You really think they want to be returning all that to players? They can't prosecute. They can't seize his assets. So where are they going to get the money from. They certainly don't want it coming out of their own pocket. I say all his hand histories they have in their database should become public knowledge. Oh I'd like to add PS gives tournament leaders prize packages. I'm pretty sure he has taken a couple of them. Someone comes up and says he took my spot. I'd like to get paid 10k please. Where would it end if they said he had used some sort of collusion. There are so many people that he has affected just by the number of games he played. It's better to just say we found no evidence of collusion, but will take his money.

They got rid of step 5 higher games long time ago, but if memory serves correct. 1,2,3 were 25k, 15k, 10k.

[RFJ]

They may have good computer engineers on their payroll, but i don't think they even have experienced or great players who know what to look for in their bankroll that can spot collusion. Collusion is hard to detect even for many of the professionals that are hired to catch collusion at casinos because a lot of it is circumstancial. I doubt they have some professional monitoring the systems. Probably some engineer that has some knowledge of how the game is played, but don't know the ins and outs and stratigies behind them reviewed the hands. I know that in B&M if they suspect something. They will at least separate them by setting one of the players at a different table.

[Bigka79]

is this thread long enough

[guitarizt]

The other problem with collusion especially at party is that so many people play their at any given time.

[frankster]

Die, thread! DIE!!!!!

This is getting ridiculous.