A8s Trapped preflop

[rhayder]

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Preflop: got trapped between some raisers but still the pot is multiway and I think I might be able to make money if the flop is nice to me.

Postflop: The pot is kind of large so I take one off. If I count A & 8s this gives me 5 outs.. odds 8.5 to 1. Pott odds are 13.5 to 1. However given all the raising .. really I need an 8 to improve, so if I have 3 outs 15 to 1. I think my call on the flop is marginal. I don't see how I could have folded preflop even though the call was marginal.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Everest Poker Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

MP2 ($34.92)
MP3 ($22.05) (Hero)
CO ($44.40)
Button ($16.29)
SB ($27.40)
BB ($13.60)
UTG ($26.00)
UTG+1 ($35.70)
UTG+2 ($32.00)
MP1 ($51.01)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls,

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 7.25BB )
MP2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls,

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 9.25BB )
MP2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 14.25BB )
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO calls,

[milesdyson]

raise preflop the first time. folding the flop would be awful. if mp2 didnt raise the turn i'd call turn+river. thankfully he made your decision 100% clear.

[LateFlag]

Raise preflop.

The rest is standard.

[Sushiglutton]

I raise pf. Rest is played well IMO.

[JJack]

raise preflop rest ok

[maverickai]

why would raising A8s in middle position be good here? If it's ATs or A9s, I might raise. But A8s in MP, isn't it pusing a little thin? I am currently revising the preflop concepts in SSHE, and A8s is "from late position, A9s or A8s after limpers if your opponents are loose."

[Ghie]

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why would raising A8s in middle position be good here? If it's ATs or A9s, I might raise. But A8s in MP, isn't it pusing a little thin? I am currently revising the preflop concepts in SSHE, and A8s is "from late position, A9s or A8s after limpers if your opponents are loose."

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I'm thinking the same thing. I'm guessing that MP3 is being considered "Late" in this hand and therefore playable. In late position with no Raise b4 its a Raise.

[00Snitch]

This is an easy isolation raise.

You might not do it against super-tighties, but you are the goods against the majority of an MPs open limping range.

Think of it this way, what hands does he open limp that you are a (big) dog to?

[Ghie]

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This is an easy isolation raise.

You might not do it against super-tighties, but you are the goods against the majority of an MPs open limping range.

Think of it this way, what hands does he open limp that you are a (big) dog to?

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So A8s has an +ev advantage in mp3 position so we raise?

When u say "Isolation Raise", u mean we are attempting to close down all hands that a TAG would limp with, leaving the Loose players still in the pot? I guess I'm asking for a definition of "Isolation Raise"

[neurotiq]

Yes. An iso-raise is when you raise in the hopes of isolating the one person in the pot in front of you.