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Old 11-11-2007, 08:34 PM
whynot? whynot? is offline
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Default Re: FTP $330 Mill., stupid turn spot facing overbet

seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:59 PM
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seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me

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this is what it looks like to me too
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Old 11-11-2007, 09:02 PM
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seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?
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Old 11-11-2007, 09:35 PM
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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:21 PM
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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:00 AM
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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.

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On the flop he hit his hand so he got tricky and slowplayed.

On the turn he got nervous about the flush so he shoved.

If someone hit a flush against him on the turn he would probably say "this is [censored] unreal, I am so unlucky to lose with trips." I suggest that you befriend some bad players as a sociological experiment. If you can handle their bad beat stories it will be great for your game.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: FTP $330 Mill., stupid turn spot facing overbet

Is it bad that I think he has something like AhKx or AhJx and really wanna call?
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:15 AM
Cornell Fiji Cornell Fiji is offline
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Is it bad that I think he has something like AhKx or AhJx and really wanna call?

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Those hands are definitely in his range.

If you want to figure out if you should be calling with those hands then figure out a weighted range for him

AhK - 5%
AxQx - 10%
AhJ - 3%
Ahx - 9%
KQ - 6% ...

(note: these numbers were pulled virtually randomly and I have given no real thought to putting together a sensible weighted range for the villain because I am confident in this fold. If you question it though then please figure out his range and see how we fair vs. each hand in his range and post your analysis here and I am sure that someone will agree with it or critique it)
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:12 AM
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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.

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On the flop he hit his hand so he got tricky and slowplayed.

On the turn he got nervous about the flush so he shoved.

If someone hit a flush against him on the turn he would probably say "this is [censored] unreal, I am so unlucky to lose with trips." I suggest that you befriend some bad players as a sociological experiment. If you can handle their bad beat stories it will be great for your game.

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I am only friends with ballers who run like god. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Srsly though, I get why he would shove the turn if he had AQ. I'm just not buying that unknowns are checking back AQ here in a 3-way pot with a two flush board. Unless we have some read or something.
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