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11-11-2007, 07:08 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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[ QUOTE ] Atheism and Agnostism are mutually exclusive. Atheism is a belief: a belief that there is no higher power. Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that a person cannot know if there is a higher power or not. You can't both definitively state that x does or does not exist and then say that it is impossible to know whether x exists or not. The two statements are mutually exclusive. [/ QUOTE ] You sound home schooled so you may not have been exposed to some outside concepts - consider that you were born an atheist ( you didn't believe in Thor, Allah, Yawah, toothfairy ...) and it had nothing to do with you proving they didn't exist. You simply started out not believing and then changed over time as evidence arose .. tooth fairy being your first conversion. The others lack such evidence so some never take them on. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] What's your petigree since your speculating into mine? High School Grad? Part of a Liberal Arts Major in college? Ivy League professor? 
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11-11-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Atheism and Agnostism are mutually exclusive. Atheism is a belief: a belief that there is no higher power. Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that a person cannot know if there is a higher power or not. You can't both definitively state that x does or does not exist and then say that it is impossible to know whether x exists or not. The two statements are mutually exclusive. [/ QUOTE ] You sound home schooled so you may not have been exposed to some outside concepts - consider that you were born an atheist ( you didn't believe in Thor, Allah, Yawah, toothfairy ...) and it had nothing to do with you proving they didn't exist. You simply started out not believing and then changed over time as evidence arose .. tooth fairy being your first conversion. The others lack such evidence so some never take them on. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] What's your petigree since your speculating into mine? High School Grad? Part of a Liberal Arts Major in college? Ivy League professor? [/ QUOTE ]I am your daddy.
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#3
11-11-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Atheism and Agnostism are mutually exclusive. Atheism is a belief: a belief that there is no higher power. Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that a person cannot know if there is a higher power or not. You can't both definitively state that x does or does not exist and then say that it is impossible to know whether x exists or not. The two statements are mutually exclusive. [/ QUOTE ] You sound home schooled so you may not have been exposed to some outside concepts - consider that you were born an atheist ( you didn't believe in Thor, Allah, Yawah, toothfairy ...) and it had nothing to do with you proving they didn't exist. You simply started out not believing and then changed over time as evidence arose .. tooth fairy being your first conversion. The others lack such evidence so some never take them on. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] What's your petigree since your speculating into mine? High School Grad? Part of a Liberal Arts Major in college? Ivy League professor? [/ QUOTE ]I am your daddy. [/ QUOTE ] High level response.
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11-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Atheism and Agnostism are mutually exclusive. Atheism is a belief: a belief that there is no higher power. Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that a person cannot know if there is a higher power or not. You can't both definitively state that x does or does not exist and then say that it is impossible to know whether x exists or not. The two statements are mutually exclusive. [/ QUOTE ] You sound home schooled so you may not have been exposed to some outside concepts - consider that you were born an atheist ( you didn't believe in Thor, Allah, Yawah, toothfairy ...) and it had nothing to do with you proving they didn't exist. You simply started out not believing and then changed over time as evidence arose .. tooth fairy being your first conversion. The others lack such evidence so some never take them on. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] What's your petigree since your speculating into mine? High School Grad? Part of a Liberal Arts Major in college? Ivy League professor? [/ QUOTE ]I am your daddy. [/ QUOTE ] High level response. [/ QUOTE ]You have done zero research on agnostism or atheism. And you are trying to instruct people, that have done lots of study, on semantics. You might actually deserve a better response then "I am your daddy", i do doubt it.
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#5
11-11-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Atheism and Agnostism are mutually exclusive. Atheism is a belief: a belief that there is no higher power. Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that a person cannot know if there is a higher power or not. You can't both definitively state that x does or does not exist and then say that it is impossible to know whether x exists or not. The two statements are mutually exclusive. [/ QUOTE ] You sound home schooled so you may not have been exposed to some outside concepts - consider that you were born an atheist ( you didn't believe in Thor, Allah, Yawah, toothfairy ...) and it had nothing to do with you proving they didn't exist. You simply started out not believing and then changed over time as evidence arose .. tooth fairy being your first conversion. The others lack such evidence so some never take them on. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] What's your petigree since your speculating into mine? High School Grad? Part of a Liberal Arts Major in college? Ivy League professor? [/ QUOTE ]I am your daddy. [/ QUOTE ] High level response. [/ QUOTE ]You have done zero research on agnostism or atheism. And you are trying to instruct people, that have done lots of study, on semantics. You might actually deserve a better response then "I am your daddy", i do doubt it. [/ QUOTE ] what study? when? or are you just gonna fiat that crap? you ain't my daddy chief. my daddy can hold a conversation without being a condesending prick.
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#6
11-11-2007, 07:45 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
ok, i believe you guys. it should be simple to explain how it is reasonable for a person to hold these two statements simultaneously:
I cannot know whether X is true or false. I know that X is true/false.
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#7
11-11-2007, 07:48 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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ok, i believe you guys. it should be simple to explain how it is reasonable for a person to hold these two statements simultaneously: I cannot know whether X is true or false. I know that X is true/false. [/ QUOTE ]Those aren't the two statements I cannot know whether X is true or flase I have/ do not have y belief about x. Agnostic I cannot know whether god exists or not. Atheist I am without the belief an any gods.
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#8
11-11-2007, 07:51 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
This is just semantics and trying to debate on definitions, and semantics is usually uninteresting in debate. Atheism and agnosticism are both more than the terms you have outlined.
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#9
11-11-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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ok, i believe you guys. it should be simple to explain how it is reasonable for a person to hold these two statements simultaneously: I cannot know whether X is true or false. I know that X is true/false. [/ QUOTE ] Your problem is the second one. The guy whose beliefs you are arguing with sounds like a tool, I wonder if he actually exists.
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#10
11-11-2007, 07:36 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
Cowboy: Agnostic atheism is a well-known philosophical direction. Do some research.
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