Winning in Tough Hold 'em Games

[smbruin22]

i expect that it's a fantastic book. not too often that a world-class player lays things out like that.

but like the first respondant, i too have given up limit for NL forever (would go to omaha etc. if i ever got tired of NLHE).

will i be able to get alot out of it when i only play NL? i'm thinking yes. i think that it will teach alot about reading hands and about analyzing your play thru pokertracker....

so i think i will add it to my next order............ would have been so much better if author had done NL book. hopefully, he will

[Troll_Inc]

Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

[phydaux]

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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It's a question of win rate.

Do you want to play 10/20 and make 3 bb/hr, or 40/80 and make 1 bb/hr?

You can make more money at the higher table, but you have to have the BR & skills. Of the two, the BR is the easy part.

Sorry Mason, but I also have given up limit for NL. I am not, however, foolish enough to belive that it is "forever."

Your old conjecture is still true - The fish go broke faster a NL than at limit. Modern capped buy-ins have slowed the money hemorage from a gush to a spurt, but eventually the suckers will bleed to death faster than they can be replaced with newbies.

At that time the pros will all have to take up limit poker again, because that's what the fish will all be playing.

Now what form of limit poker the fish will be playing is anyone's guess, but if it's limit hold'em then we'll all end up buying Stox's book.

Personally I think it will be HORSE or SHOE, in which case we'll have to buy the book anyway.

[Gelford]

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Your old conjecture is still true - The fish go broke faster a NL than at limit. Modern capped buy-ins have slowed the money hemorage from a gush to a spurt, but eventually the suckers will bleed to death faster than they can be replaced with newbies.


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Well ... perhaps in an old school casino world, where NL starts at 1/2$ ... but you're forgetting that you these days can play penny NL, nobody needs to go broke anymore unless they have a gambling problem.

[Gonso]

I think what hurts it is that it might be a couple rungs too high on the ladder relative to most readers' LHE games (including mine). Plus, you know, it's limit.

At this point I've read enough books that new material is a little harder to come by than when I first started studying, but this book is filled with truly expert-level content. It's really going to take a few reads.

In time, though, I think this book will be better recognized for what it is.

[MicroBob]

Mason- I agree. This book is super-cool.

Glad to see you guys corrected the oversight and added it to the 'books' page so that people can actually order it.

[avatar77]

The limit games in my area are: 4/8 (very loose game and winnable if you apply SSH) and 10/20 and 20/40.

My questions are:
I would like to know if this book will serve me any good if I continue to play 4/8 or are the concepts just too sophisticated/advanced to apply to the easier games?

What specific concepts does this book cover which isn't covered thoroughly in SSH and HPFAP?

[afish]

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The limit games in my area are: 4/8 (very loose game and winnable if you apply SSH) and 10/20 and 20/40.

My questions are:
I would like to know if this book will serve me any good if I continue to play 4/8 or are the concepts just too sophisticated/advanced to apply to the easier games?

What specific concepts does this book cover which isn't covered thoroughly in SSH and HPFAP?

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I've been working through the book, and in my view the concepts don't come into play in loose games. I think there are spots where the book can help in 20-40, but I doubt it would even make sense to someone who is only playing 4-8 (because you will never see opponents react in the ways discussed in the book).

[jeffnc]

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Your old conjecture is still true - The fish go broke faster a NL than at limit. Modern capped buy-ins have slowed the money hemorage from a gush to a spurt, but eventually the suckers will bleed to death faster than they can be replaced with newbies.

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Yet another player thinking in terms of fixed bankrolls and "dying".

Hasn't it ever occurred to you that people have been losing at casino games like roulette, craps and blackjack for decades, with no sign of slowing down? Yes, online the situation is somewhat dynamic and the current US laws have put a hurtin' on it. Reloading is a real problem for some. But it's not a question of bankroll issues or "dying". It's a question of what people enjoy doing. People with regular jobs do not "go broke".

[stoxtrader]

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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wrong question.

in my opinion the better question is this:

Why would anyone want to learn to BEAT tough holdem games?

answer: Because it will almost certainly improve your play, and thus, your earn, in ALL holdem games.