25NL: I flop middle set and 2 ppl shove before it's my turn.

[ChadK]

I think UTG has AA or KK since he did the min raise thing and is trying to bet out draws. UTG+1 has 88, pair+nfd, or str8. I call this. Im interested to read the results of this hand.

[RapidEvolution]

Well, it's really a 4way min-raised pot, but that probably doesn't matter much. It turned out that the original minraiser had AA and UTG+1 had 97o. Board didn't pair, lost the stack.

[Mike Kelley]

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Well, it's really a 4way min-raised pot, but that probably doesn't matter much. It turned out that the original minraiser had AA and UTG+1 had 97o. Board didn't pair, lost the stack.

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You probably get away for less or win it if you 3bet this pre, assuming AA makes another min raise after you 3bet and 97o folds when it is 3.50 for him to call but only 2.00 more to you to see a flop

[RapidEvolution]

IMO, 3betting an EP raise with TT is essentially turning my hand into a bluff. If he 4bets, calling seems terrible because it's either a 4bet shove (I'm folding and have lost $3.50) or it's a small raise and now we can pay $2 to see the flop, but the pot will be so big that he's unlikely folding a big pair, so we have little FE when we miss the 10). If we hit then 10, that's good but why pay $5 when we can pay .50? As for 97, hands like that will hit 2 pair more often than a straight and pay me.

[Johnes Benjamin]

No reads on UTG+1?
Yeah, i call. We can assume we are ahead of UTG so having all that extra money in there makes a big difference.

[BalancePoint]

Call but dont feel too good about it!

[wake_up]

The only hand you're worried about with the pot odds you're getting is JJ. Get it in.

[PokerFun007]

results time!

[RapidEvolution]

Already posted, Pokerfun!

I'll post the whole shebang, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $8.90
SB: $27.35
BB: $5
UTG: $15.45
UTG+1: $25.30
MP1: $22.30
Hero (MP2): $27.80
CO: $22.35

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.50</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $14.95 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $24.80 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $27.30 and is All-In</font>, BTN folds

Turn: ($66.90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($66.90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $66.90 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$15.45 NET)
UTG+1 showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Jack high) and WON $63.90 (+$38.60 NET)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Tens) and LOST (-$25.30 NET)

Chad was dead on. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[wake_up]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3887064
pokenum -h ah ad - 9c 7d - ts tc -- 8h th js
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing Js Th 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 67 7.42 817 90.48 19 2.10 0.081
9c 7d 511 56.59 373 41.31 19 2.10 0.573
Ts Tc 306 33.89 578 64.01 19 2.10 0.346

On the flop, you are betting $24.80 to win $42.10 so you need an equity of 0.37. So, you can *almost* call even if they turn their hands face up. The incomplete information of poker makes it a call.