odd spot after 4bet light

[theplux]

so we dont bet flop and we fold turn unless we suckout like in this case...right?

[stickdude]

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so we dont bet flop and we fold turn unless we suckout like in this case...right?

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pretty much - unless we could somehow convince ourselves that villain will call off half his stack pre-flop with AQ.

[Unknown Soldier]

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plz dont bet flop

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are u saying this because his range has narrowed so much that QQ is the only hand in his range we can get him to fold on the flop??

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i dont even expct him to fold QQ/JJ often anyway. and yeah you should assume he has a really small range.

(although a 19/14 called my small 4b w/ J9s the other day, wierd)

[markuisis]

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pf is awful. (size). post is okay, i might just shove the flop.

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ya, i agree, adjust pf size and rest seems okay.

[annex21]

no this is a good check villain doesn't have much more than 1/2 pot bet and he seems pretty aggro i dont see him folding JJ/QQ often. try to check it down. PF i'd 4bet to $65-$70

[Paul Thomson]

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plz dont bet flop

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are u saying this because his range has narrowed so much that QQ is the only hand in his range we can get him to fold on the flop??

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i dont even expct him to fold QQ/JJ often anyway. and yeah you should assume he has a really small range.

(although a 19/14 called my small 4b w/ J9s the other day, wierd)

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i think calling with QQ or JJ, post flop from Villain would be terrible.

[stickdude]

Making it $60 pre-flop will accomplish the same thing as $89 - namely, getting him to fold if he is in fact squeezing. Now, if he calls, you have a $120 pot on the flop and villain has just about that much behind - it's much easier for him to fold JJ/QQ in this case.

[Paul Thomson]

you should shove flop all day if you think Villain ever has JJ or QQ and will fold. In other words, you're making a huge mistake if he'll fold a better hand on the flop. On the other hand, you're making a very small mistake if he calls with JJ or QQ.

fwiw, the feeling these days is to make your bluff 4-bet small, so you can get away from it preflop. If you plan on 4-betting and calling, then I suggest using a hand that has at least an Ace in it so that the Villain will have less hands he can call with in his range since u have an Ace and if u get called there's a chance that the Ace is an out.

[XHitman014]

Yeah PF sizing is terrible, I check flop a lot of the time anyway so post flop is fine imo. Might as well shove if you decide to bet.