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11-09-2007, 01:49 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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So, wow, amazing to see haters jump all over Paul for one minor misstatement. Yes, the Constitution isn't replete with references to God, but the writings of the Founders in general are. His point in that article is that the people who created this country were very much God-fearing types, and he's completely correct. He's also completely correct that our society has run amok with anti-Christianness. Mind you, as a non-Christian, I prefer it to the days where in some states you had to be a member of the state religion to vote (this after the Constitution went into effect), but that doesn't mean that people aren't being ridiculous and silly when they jump on any possible reference to God in local governments or things run by local governments. People cannot realistically go through life hiding their religion, and they shouldn't have to because that's persecution. [/ QUOTE ] What does the fact that the founder's writings are "replete with references to god" but the constitution does not contain a single reference to god tell you? I'll help you out, it means they went out of their way to not mention god in order to create a (fictional LOL) separation of church state. There is no way that someone as familiar (and devoted to?) the constitution as Ron Paul is could make this mistake, this is absolutely intentional and completely disingenuous. He comes off absolutely horrible in this article, O'reillyesque to be honest. I am still a huge Ron Paul fan, but wow he no longer occupies the high ground I used to think he did. 
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#42
11-09-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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I would be much more concerned about someone who never made any kind of mistake like this ever. [/ QUOTE ] lol, no you wouldn't, because you wouldn't even think about it to notice. edit: I guess Ron Paul missed Jefferson's "wall of separation" between church and state when he was looking through the Founding Father's writings.
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#43
11-09-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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[ QUOTE ] So, wow, amazing to see haters jump all over Paul for one minor misstatement. Yes, the Constitution isn't replete with references to God, but the writings of the Founders in general are. His point in that article is that the people who created this country were very much God-fearing types, and he's completely correct. He's also completely correct that our society has run amok with anti-Christianness. Mind you, as a non-Christian, I prefer it to the days where in some states you had to be a member of the state religion to vote (this after the Constitution went into effect), but that doesn't mean that people aren't being ridiculous and silly when they jump on any possible reference to God in local governments or things run by local governments. People cannot realistically go through life hiding their religion, and they shouldn't have to because that's persecution. [/ QUOTE ] What does the fact that the founder's writings are "replete with references to god" but the constitution does not contain a single reference to god tell you? [/ QUOTE ] As has already been pointed out twice in this thread, there is a single reference to God. [ QUOTE ] I'll help you out, it means they went out of their way to not mention god in order to create a (fictional LOL) separation of church state. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, they went out of their way to create a separation bewteen religion and the federal government. And? [ QUOTE ] There is no way that someone as familiar (and devoted to?) the constitution as Ron Paul is could make this mistake, this is absolutely intentional and completely disingenuous. [/ QUOTE ] You're right. There's no way that Ron Paul is human. What were we thinking? [ QUOTE ] He comes off absolutely horrible in this article, O'reillyesque to be honest. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, one minor semantical mistake in an article that is otherwise completely true is O'Reillyesque.
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11-09-2007, 02:10 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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[ QUOTE ] I would be much more concerned about someone who never made any kind of mistake like this ever. [/ QUOTE ] lol, no you wouldn't, because you wouldn't even think about it to notice. [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't even thikn about it to notice if someone was behaving like a robot? K. [ QUOTE ] edit: I guess Ron Paul missed Jefferson's "wall of separation" between church and state when he was looking through the Founding Father's writings. [/ QUOTE ] Do you even know where that quote comes from? The Danbury Baptist Association, a religious minority in Connecticut, wrote him complaining that they were unsatisfied with how they were being treated by the state legislature, and Jefferson wrote back with a letter using that quote that said that it was not the federal government's place to interfere! Ron Paul didn't miss crap, he just understands that random quotes come with context. That quote of Jefferson's does nothing to contradict Paul's article.
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#48
11-09-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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[ QUOTE ] As has already been pointed out twice in this thread, there is a single reference to God. [/ QUOTE ] what section? I want to see this. [/ QUOTE ] The year. They translated "A.D." to "in the year of our Lord" (which is its direct translation.) Pretty damning, huh?
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#49
11-09-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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[ QUOTE ] As has already been pointed out twice in this thread, there is a single reference to God. [/ QUOTE ] what section? I want to see this. [/ QUOTE ] Article 7. The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same. Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.
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#50
11-09-2007, 02:24 PM
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Re: Ron Paul quotation - Is it a hoax?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As has already been pointed out twice in this thread, there is a single reference to God. [/ QUOTE ] what section? I want to see this. [/ QUOTE ] The year. They translated "A.D." to "in the year of our Lord" (which is its direct translation.) Pretty damning, huh? [/ QUOTE ] Hmm... Okay, you're right. I'm going to go ahead and agree that this doesn't count as a reference to God. It still doesn't change anything.
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