Hand from villian's perspective (Reshef)

JDalla · #1 11-09-2007, 12:49 AM

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wow the OP is really not that bad, if at all bad.

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I assume you mean his play of the hand? I'm having trouble seeing how it can be good at all in a vaccum, and the metagame explination also seems a bit of a stretch. Can you enlighten ?

Victor · #2 11-09-2007, 12:53 AM

you need to raise the turn.

JDalla · #3 11-09-2007, 05:35 AM

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you need to raise the turn.

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I put him on FD. Sure he could have a lower set, but I think he has the FD more of the time here. Plus I just felt that way instictually.

Someone said the cap disguises his hand so he get's to 3 bet the turn if I raise... but really considering the pf action and the player I don't think his hand was disguised very well. Considering how popular capping draws on the flop has become in the last 2 years, and the unlikelyhood of him having a queen, in my mind it was either FD or set, and probably not set.

joker122 · #4 11-09-2007, 01:58 AM

you say "He's shutting out a player when he has only K hi"

yeah...what better time to shut out a player? when he has top set?

eliminating utg is a huge victory in a pot this large, which justifies both his cr and cap. plus, even if he doesn't induce a fold he has plenty of equity so it's not like he's losing a ton of money on each bet that goes into the pot.

he actually played this exactly how i'd play it although tbh sometimes i'd make the mistake of just calling your flop 3bet.

milesdyson · #5 11-09-2007, 02:05 AM

agree about the initial c/r because it can actually lead to winning ui, but i don't see why you want to eliminate utg once hero 3-bets the flop 3-way. i don't see how it's ever a good outcome because once hero does this on the flop, it's very unlikely that the K6 wins without improvement. so now he's just hu with a draw against a better hand that's going to showdown. if someone forced me to try to justify the cap, i'd say it's almost for value and it'll likely make them play wrong on the turn when i hit since they won't put me on the draw.

joker122 · #6 11-09-2007, 02:15 AM

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because once hero does this on the flop [3bets], it's very unlikely that the K6 wins without improvement.

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true but isn't there something to be said for cleaning up his K outs, especially when utg looks alot like AK?

but i agree for the most part that maybe the cap is overdoing it since hero has a SD hand 100% of the time.

however, the other thing i forgot to mention is the implied odds thing that you mentioned - you can't put him on a flush so if hero would have raised the turn like he should have it lets Reshef b/3bet.

plus, these are exactly the types of hands that tilts your opponents and forces them to spew against you...but that concept has already been beaten to death in this thread.

milesdyson · #7 11-09-2007, 02:24 AM

i don't think utg looks like AK at all (just calling preflop, coldcalling the flop), but i never really knocked the hand in the OP anyway, other than pf and the flop cap. my main thing was the K2 one vs. heisenberg where there is just no justification for wasting that many bets in a single hand.

Tryptamean · #8 11-09-2007, 02:28 AM

i counted no less than 3 separate players who capped flush draws oop against me in my session tonight... and once it was when I had a worse hand hoping to take a free card...

it seems like thats just the thing with spewing; reshef obviously picks a lot of good spots as well as [censored] spots and nobody is able to post the hands when it actually works

PokerBob · #9 11-09-2007, 05:41 AM

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i counted no less than 3 separate players who capped flush draws oop against me in my session tonight... and once it was when I had a worse hand hoping to take a free card...

it seems like thats just the thing with spewing; reshef obviously picks a lot of good spots as well as [censored] spots and nobody is able to post the hands when it actually works

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I posted one where he won the pot. His play was beyond retarded, but he still won.

joker122 · #10 11-09-2007, 11:28 AM

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i counted no less than 3 separate players who capped flush draws oop against me in my session tonight... and once it was when I had a worse hand hoping to take a free card...

it seems like thats just the thing with spewing; reshef obviously picks a lot of good spots as well as [censored] spots and nobody is able to post the hands when it actually works

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I posted one where he won the pot. His play was beyond retarded, but he still won.

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i think he means no one is able to post one that works because they would have folded in the actual hand if his spew had worked...which is a good point.