Hand from villian's perspective (Reshef)

Tryptamean · #1 11-08-2007, 11:56 PM

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I've played against reshef on other sites,

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do you happen to have mined stats on him on other sites? just curious if his results are consistent outside of stars

JDalla · #2 11-09-2007, 12:05 AM

I agree that the occassional spew can help out, but I think the one I cited in the OP is an exceptionally bad spot to try this. How is this going to help him? In the actual hand, he forced out more money from the third player and got me to shut down with top set.

I don't really see how this helps his metagame that much. Is he going to cap a set later and have me raising the non diamond turn with AA or something? Great so he will get in 2 extra bets if he flops a set vs. an over pair AND a flush draw board. I suppose it's possible, but I'm not sure that situation comes up enough to make it worthwhile... the situation where he has a flush draw will come up many more times.

Tryptamean · #3 11-09-2007, 12:10 AM

a lot of players in your spot would happily cap the turn vs him without thinking much of it.

joker122 · #4 11-09-2007, 12:30 AM

wow the OP is really not that bad, if at all bad.

JDalla · #5 11-09-2007, 12:49 AM

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wow the OP is really not that bad, if at all bad.

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I assume you mean his play of the hand? I'm having trouble seeing how it can be good at all in a vaccum, and the metagame explination also seems a bit of a stretch. Can you enlighten ?

Victor · #6 11-09-2007, 12:53 AM

you need to raise the turn.

JDalla · #7 11-09-2007, 05:35 AM

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you need to raise the turn.

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I put him on FD. Sure he could have a lower set, but I think he has the FD more of the time here. Plus I just felt that way instictually.

Someone said the cap disguises his hand so he get's to 3 bet the turn if I raise... but really considering the pf action and the player I don't think his hand was disguised very well. Considering how popular capping draws on the flop has become in the last 2 years, and the unlikelyhood of him having a queen, in my mind it was either FD or set, and probably not set.

joker122 · #8 11-09-2007, 01:58 AM

you say "He's shutting out a player when he has only K hi"

yeah...what better time to shut out a player? when he has top set?

eliminating utg is a huge victory in a pot this large, which justifies both his cr and cap. plus, even if he doesn't induce a fold he has plenty of equity so it's not like he's losing a ton of money on each bet that goes into the pot.

he actually played this exactly how i'd play it although tbh sometimes i'd make the mistake of just calling your flop 3bet.

milesdyson · #9 11-09-2007, 02:05 AM

agree about the initial c/r because it can actually lead to winning ui, but i don't see why you want to eliminate utg once hero 3-bets the flop 3-way. i don't see how it's ever a good outcome because once hero does this on the flop, it's very unlikely that the K6 wins without improvement. so now he's just hu with a draw against a better hand that's going to showdown. if someone forced me to try to justify the cap, i'd say it's almost for value and it'll likely make them play wrong on the turn when i hit since they won't put me on the draw.

joker122 · #10 11-09-2007, 02:15 AM

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because once hero does this on the flop [3bets], it's very unlikely that the K6 wins without improvement.

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true but isn't there something to be said for cleaning up his K outs, especially when utg looks alot like AK?

but i agree for the most part that maybe the cap is overdoing it since hero has a SD hand 100% of the time.

however, the other thing i forgot to mention is the implied odds thing that you mentioned - you can't put him on a flush so if hero would have raised the turn like he should have it lets Reshef b/3bet.

plus, these are exactly the types of hands that tilts your opponents and forces them to spew against you...but that concept has already been beaten to death in this thread.