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Old 11-07-2007, 07:32 AM
oakrdrzfan oakrdrzfan is offline
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Default NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

I flopped a set against the pf raiser, and the board is scary with flush and str8 draws. Heads up, I might let him peel one off a little cheap but there is a calling stn in the pot left to act behind. Is it too fast to just push the flop. Is Raise to about 20 better or how about just a call?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $51.60
SB: $33.50
BB: $54.55
UTG: $67.40
UTG+1: $89.50
MP1: $43.90
MP2: $49.30
Hero (CO): $52.25

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $2.25</font>, Hero calls $2.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($7.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $9</font>, Hero ?????
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:42 AM
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

Calling allows UTG to peel with his flush draw or JT. I'd go ahead and 3-bet. Size doesn't matter really.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:52 AM
The Eureka Kid The Eureka Kid is offline
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

Too many draws to just call, three-bet it now. Added advantage is that MP2 can include p/f draw and s/f draw in your range and not be able to get away from his big pair.
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:58 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

I'd make it about 22 here on that board.
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:25 PM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

I three-bet shove. Looks a sh.t ton less suspicious than raising to $30.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:40 AM
oakrdrzfan oakrdrzfan is offline
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

I shoved and they all folded. I just thought it might be heavy handed. I have done the same though on multidraws so that probably makes shoving ok.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:06 AM
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

With this board, shoving is fine (as others have said, less suspicious than putting in over half your stack on a 3bet. If MP2 is raising this much on the flop, you are probably getting his stack in the middle more often than not.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: NL50: Set against PF Raiser, Is this too fast?

Sadly, most of the time you hit your set, people will fold. Doesn''t mean you played it wrong. As others have said, reraising without shoving here will scream "set" louder than going all-in will. MP2 looks interested enough to give you a good shot at the call.
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