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11-08-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
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I want to fold PF, but you are getting 11:1, so calling can't be that wrong. On the flop I just fold - you've got bottom pair, no draw, and even if CO has something like 89o then you are only about even money to win the hand. Plus you don't know who else might wake up with a hand. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#3
11-08-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
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[ QUOTE ] I want to fold PF, but you are getting 11:1, so calling can't be that wrong. On the flop I just fold - you've got bottom pair, no draw, and even if CO has something like 89o then you are only about even money to win the hand. Plus you don't know who else might wake up with a hand. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] You guys are being a little too pessimistic. These low limit games play pretty passively. You aren't going to get checkraised often so not closing the action in a limped pot is not that great a concern. Anyone with a "big hand" like a set who checks through the flop the first time is going to wait for the turn. Thats what 10/20 fish do. Raising is pretty awful though. When he bets you can just peel one and try to improve. You are a little short on odds but with implieds you are fine. The key though as garland says is recognizing the flop textures like this one where your money cards don't make anyone else's hand.
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#4
11-08-2007, 06:04 PM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I want to fold PF, but you are getting 11:1, so calling can't be that wrong. On the flop I just fold - you've got bottom pair, no draw, and even if CO has something like 89o then you are only about even money to win the hand. Plus you don't know who else might wake up with a hand. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] You guys are being a little too pessimistic. These low limit games play pretty passively. You aren't going to get checkraised often so not closing the action in a limped pot is not that great a concern. Anyone with a "big hand" like a set who checks through the flop the first time is going to wait for the turn. Thats what 10/20 fish do. Raising is pretty awful though. When he bets you can just peel one and try to improve. You are a little short on odds but with implieds you are fine. The key though as garland says is recognizing the flop textures like this one where your money cards don't make anyone else's hand. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I should have been more clear - when I wrote my response I was thinking that OP had actually raised the flop (that seemed to be what he was suggesting). By "wake up" I didn't mean that I was afraid of a c/r so much as someone calling 2 with a K or 7. I agree that calling is better than raising, but I'd still be worried about someone else having a hand like A7, which cuts into our implied odds a lot.
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#5
11-08-2007, 06:32 PM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
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but I'd still be worried about someone else having a hand like A7, which cuts into our implied odds a lot. [/ QUOTE ] no offense ns, but logic like this sounds like its coming from lee jones WLLH, about as weak-tight limit book there is. using this logic, the only time we could ever "safely" continue in a hand is with TPTK, and then we should worry about a set. i dont think that the very small possibility of A7 here should be a concern.
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#6
11-09-2007, 04:28 AM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
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no offense ns, but logic like this sounds like its coming from lee jones WLLH, about as weak-tight limit book there is. using this logic, the only time we could ever "safely" continue in a hand is with TPTK, and then we should worry about a set. [/ QUOTE ] None taken. I guess I'm just used to thinking of two pair outs as usually tainted, so I look for better odds than we're getting here (i would call here easily if it was a raised pot). I wasn't really thinking, though, about what it means to make A's up on the board, where we only have to fear exactly one hand (A7) and the only redraws are two-outers. I'm convinced now that it's a good spot to peel.
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#7
11-08-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: A6o in SB multiway
At the Borg 10 game, I am absolutely calling PF here, because I'm fairly confident that I won't get myself into trouble here. THe flop can't be a raise IMO and I also don't think anyone is going for a CR here so calling and peeling (maybe a hair light) is fine.
Plans? Totally depends on how many others make it to the turn. If enough (CO + Hero + 2 others) see the Turn I go for a C/R if an A or 6 hits here. If it is just me and CO it would have to depend on how often he double barrels here... but I'm leading towards leading an A.
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