Set mine w/ 88 in position?

[carnivalhobo]

fold

[cs3]

if youre just set mining you need to be almost twice as deep as you are now. so fold PF

[ikestoys]

if you don't have a read on how he three bets over 230 hands... he's probably pretty tight.

however, if your image is bad, I call for sure.... and not for setmining value.

[SinkRox]

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however, if your image is bad, I call for sure.... and not for setmining value.

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Wouldnt it be harder to take the pot away post flop if we have a bad image? I guess you mean w/ bad image you're more likely to get paid on the set... but then its harder to steal the pot when we miss [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

wfiw when we dont have a read he 3bs kinda light, then I fold like 80-90% of the time pre, due to lack of confidence in floating / stealing post flop. This is probably a leak of mine?

[sh58]

standard is a fold. i wouldn't call here until i knew the players really well.

[scallop]

I would need to have a read that he defends his blinds lightish. before calling here. Normally I would just fold.

Good flops to float... thats a pretty situational questions and depends on the feel of the game imo.

A72.
K72.
Q72.
J72.
T72.
972.
KK2.
QQ2.... I could go on.

Normally I am just folding pf, esp since he is 17/14

[GtrHtr]

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can somebody actually post a reply about the hand please GEEZ

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call, fold or 4 bet, pretty ez really.

[Tigerpiper]

You're a short stack, right? And he covers, so you need 7 to 1 odds which his bet gives you (implied ~8-1). I think it more likely that you can double up because you are so short here. Set value alone seems to justify a call.

Add to that your position, and the other hands on the flop which are bettable, and this seems like an easy call.

I think ak is a big part of his range (ak, jj+, maybe aqs), and you might be able to take down the pot if the flop misses ak.

[breathweapon]

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Here's a common situation I'm unsure how to handle. Villain is 17/14/3.25 over 230 hands. I haven't noticed whether he 3-bets light or not, but I've been opening a lot preflop.

Do you set mine here?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $99.50
BTN: $136.10
SB: $193.85
BB: $74.40
UTG: $129.60

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $12</font>, BB folds, Hero ????

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Here is how I think it works,

X + P &gt;= coC

X=Amount needed for +EV
P=Pot
co=Coefficient for set mining including set vs set, 9.5
C=Call

X + (BB + SB + Raise + Re-raise) &gt;= 9.5(Call)
X + (1 + .5 + 3.5 + 11.5) &gt;= 9.5(12-3.5)
X + 16.5 &gt;= 9.5(8.5)
X &gt;= 80.75 - 16.5
X &gt;= 64.25

SV=Stack Villain
SH=Stack Hero
FP=Flop Pot, 25

If SV and SH are both &gt;= X, you can call.

Whether or not you can achieve X is based off of the FP and the increments you, or your opponent, bets in. Judging from the PFP, I think you can get your money by the turn or at least by the river depending on your line. Just re-raising the flops gets you close, floating and then re-raising or betting the turn would exceed X against most villains.

If set mining is -EV, then you have to consider folding, 4Betting or All In. If you assume he doesn't have to be on a higher PP, then you should call and Re-raise his CBet.

[ikestoys]

the implied odds math has been done before guys, you can't call for set mining odds.