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Old 11-06-2007, 08:02 PM
ParadiceCity ParadiceCity is offline
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Default 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

PokerStars Game #13070184927: Tournament #66326724, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/11/06 - 01:27:15 (ET)
Table '66326724 7' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: TankCa (4355 in chips)
Seat 2: Bakasama (3605 in chips)
Seat 3: trompo (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: Akmacca (1540 in chips)
Seat 5: PUSKILLA (5050 in chips)
Seat 6: mute09 (1780 in chips)
Seat 7: phantombrian (10440 in chips)
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (1155 in chips)
phantombrian: posts small blind 100
ParadiceCity: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ParadiceCity [9d Td]
TankCa: raises 200 to 400
Bakasama: calls 400
trompo: folds
Akmacca: calls 400
PUSKILLA: folds
mute09: raises 1380 to 1780 and is all-in
phantombrian: folds
ParadiceCity: ?

This is a turbo, and mute had be squeezing on the button previously

I think there is more to this than people realize.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

you are so short on chips i may well call here as you will most likely be up against a minimum of two other hands. His wide range will not be crushing you, it is the utg raiser and the caller with 1500 that i'd be worried about.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

fold bc your hand stinks
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

I'd call, it's a chance to get a ton of chips or be done with the stupid tourney. However, you're probably dominated, against an overpair, and every single overcard to your hand is probably out there. Just hit a straight and you'll be good (maybe.) Seriously, I'm 99.9% sure calling is -cEV, but I couldn't pass up a shot at all those chips being this short, and T9s isn't a bad hand to go 5 ways with.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

PokerStars Game #13070184927: Tournament #66326724, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/11/06 - 01:27:15 (ET)
Table '66326724 7' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: TankCa (4355 in chips)
Seat 2: Bakasama (3605 in chips)
Seat 3: trompo (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: Akmacca (1540 in chips)
Seat 5: PUSKILLA (5050 in chips)
Seat 6: mute09 (1780 in chips)
Seat 7: phantombrian (10440 in chips)
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (1155 in chips)
phantombrian: posts small blind 100
ParadiceCity: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ParadiceCity [9d Td]
TankCa: raises 200 to 400
Bakasama: calls 400
trompo: folds
Akmacca: calls 400
PUSKILLA: folds
mute09: raises 1380 to 1780 and is all-in
phantombrian: folds
ParadiceCity: calls 955 and is all-in
TankCa: folds
Bakasama: raises 1380 to 3160
Akmacca: folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 7c Qs]
*** TURN *** [5s 7c Qs] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [5s 7c Qs Js] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bakasama: shows [6h 6d] (a pair of Sixes)
mute09: shows [5c 5h] (three of a kind, Fives)
mute09 collected 1250 from side pot
ParadiceCity: shows [9d Td] (a pair of Nines)
mute09 collected 4365 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5615 Main pot 4365. Side pot 1250. | Rake 0
Board [5s 7c Qs Js 9s]
Seat 1: TankCa folded before Flop
Seat 2: Bakasama showed [6h 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: trompo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Akmacca folded before Flop
Seat 5: PUSKILLA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mute09 (button) showed [5c 5h] and won (5615) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 7: phantombrian (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (big blind) showed [9d Td] and lost with a pair of Nines

cards flipped preflop I made the right play, but is this still a good/ok/mediocre play with incomplete information?

I thought about all of this before I made the call, and my read on the table specifically prompted this call.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

ok so you have 1155 in chips and will have 955 if you fold and 855 if you don't pick up a hand in the small blind. That leaves you with 6 or 7 hands to pick up something decent and get those 4.25 BBs into the middle after that otherwise you're pretty much toast.

I really don't like the min-raise under the gun, unless hes shown a tendancy to do that in the past with non-monsters I'd take that as a sign of extreme strength. Then the button pushing over the top of this isn't really a squeez play at all, it actually looks pretty strong.

So I'd say wait for a better spot try to be the first one in so you have at least a little fold equity.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

I call this everytime because I need the chips. I don't like playing with $900 chips and having to push fold. Chances are slim that you will make it to the money that way. I want that huge pot right now. T9d is a nice enough hand for me especially given your read. I don't think any of these guys has a big hand here.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: 10 9 s WHY CALL/NOT CALL?

I'd love shoving here if you had a deeper stack. Your stack isn't deep enough to induce all of those players to fold to your shove.

Given the situation, I lay it down.
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