NL 50: 3 3bet pots

[Pokerdemic]

3bet pots are obviously tough pots for me to play in, comments on all streets what I did, what other options I had, etc.

1.Villain is 24/20/4 over 200.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $62.70
SB: $47.60
BB: $58.65
UTG: $51.55
Hero (MP): $50.20
CO: $79.25

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($14.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $13</font>, Hero's plan?


2. Villain is at 18/12/2.5 over 30. I normally raise to 6.5 in position here and 7 OOP. I don't know why I only raised to 6 here, and I don't know about my turn bet sizing.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $62.45
CO: $52.05
BTN: $80.30
SB: $51.80
Hero (BB): $50.50
UTG: $52.85

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.50, <font color="red">SB raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $4

Flop: ($12.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8

Turn: ($28.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $12</font>, Hero hates the turn. But with these stats, what T is he calling w/OOP? Plan?



3. Villain is 50/20/3 here. He has position on me. Every pot I have been in with him thus far I have missed the flop and folded along the way. I was also pissed so this looks like a spew, as I might be screwed against his range. Put him on AK?

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $23.50
BTN: $38.70
SB: $33.10
BB: $75
UTG: $54.50
Hero (MP): $51.25

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $13</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $47.25 and is All-In</font>,

[Hail Eris]

I shove in all 3.

[Pokerdemic]

bump for some more microstakes lovin

[iheartponeez]

I think I shove the first and third, fold the second, like a pansy.

Basically when you 3-bet/get into a 3-bet pot, you're deciding if you're willing to commit with an overpair (or TPTK if you're on AK). Are you not? Then don't call, because if you have JJ (PS: JJ is a rough hand in a 3-bet pot. More than half the time you're going to see a bigger card on the board, so I usually fold them to a 3-bet, but I'll also 3-bet when I hold them), the best flop you're gonna get, other than Jxx is three undercards. If you're putting the other guy on QQ+, don't call if you're not getting set-value odds. (And with 3-bets you usually aren't, but you'll sometimes be deep with some guy who makes the "standard" reraise to 12BB. If you're both on 150BB+, then you can call this raise with any pocket pair and play for sets.)

[kurto]

first - judging a hand value when someone 3 bets you is very frequency, position and stacksize dependent. The more they're 3 betting, the less likely they have a great hand and you have to introduce 4 betting.

hand 1) see above - if he's a frequent 3 better, I'm willing to get it all in with QQ. If he's never 3 bet in hundreds of hands, I might lay down.

hand 2) you have the best hand here most of the time. Whatever gets all the money in is good. You have so little reason to have the 10.

hand 3 - if he's 3 betting you a lot this is good. With those stats I'm pretty happy with a JJ overpair.

[pr0crast]

1) shove, AK/AQ is a huge part of villains range. calling is bad b/c you are afraid of overs.
2) scary board. he either has you beat (T,9) or you have him crushed (pocket pair). I think a turn call and river call (or 1/2 pot river bet) gets the most from the hands you beat w/out scaring them away and loses the least to the hands that have you beat. if villain wasn't a nit i'd consider shoving, but i dont see this guy calling a push with JJ -- what could he put you on that he beats?
3) fine, looks like he has AT or overs and is overcompensating to gain FE. you checked, so he doesnt put you on a hand that will call/raise a large flop bet.

[kurto]

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2) scary board. he either has you beat (T,9) or you have him crushed (pocket pair). I think a turn call and river call (or 1/2 pot river bet) gets the most from the hands you beat w/out scaring them away and loses the least to the hands that have you beat. if villain wasn't a nit i'd consider shoving, but i dont see this guy calling a push with JJ -- what could he put you on that he beats?


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Villain is at 18/12/2.5 over 30.

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(sidenote- sample is only 30 hands... but let's pretend its indicative of his play for the sake of argument)

an 18/12 who raises and is reraised, very rarely has a 9 or a 10 in his hand. Unless he flopped a boat or quads.

JJ, QQ and KK are much more likely.

[pr0crast]

kurto - doesn't change anything. sure he's less likely to have a 9 or T, but he could still have 44 55 66 77 88 JJ QQ KK AK AQ. we want to focus on how to get max value from these hands. do you think pushing is the way to do this? i'm open to that, if you'll explain why.

[runfor1]

1) 3bet frequency is key here. If he does this with 1010+, AhQh:
Board: Th 4s 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.117% 31.13% 01.99% 7396 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 66.883% 64.89% 01.99% 15419 472.50 { TT+, AhKh, AhQh }


Throw in AKo, AQo and its like 60/40

2) I shove over him all day. Like your reasoning, I dont see what he is calling with here PF other then A10, MAYBE J10s. However, small sample size here. Still shove.

3) I like

[kurto]

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kurto - doesn't change anything. sure he's less likely to have a 9 or T, but he could still have 44 55 66 77 88 JJ QQ KK AK AQ. we want to focus on how to get max value from these hands. do you think pushing is the way to do this? i'm open to that, if you'll explain why.

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He's bet into us twice, no? I think he likes his hand and we can get more out of him. And we don't need to necessarily push... just make sure that by the river, its all in.