Let's ask Ron Paul supporters to write letters on our behalf

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If we are not willing to put our vote and money behind the candidate that best represents our view on this issue than what exactly is the point? I find the PPA a dysfunctional organization.

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Another "the PPA didn't do what I wanted...therefore they are dysfunctional" post.

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Non-poker playing Ron Paul supporters support our position implicitly. They also seem to have boundless energy and enthusiasm that has only limited outlets. Let's post there sometimes to get them to help us out. I'll bet we could get a whole lot of help from them.

I started a thread at www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=356283&posted=1#post356283. It's gotten a ton of responses, all positive (I did post that picture of Ron Paul with the pros from the Fly-In...didn't hurt, to say the least). The forum is so busy that it's hard for me to keep my thread on the front page. Please comment there, and make sure to vote the thread 5-stars. Thanks.

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I agree with you on most things but this sounds manipulative to me. If I understand you, right you wish to get RP supporters to write letters in support of our issue, while PPA to the best of my knowledge as not asked there members to support Ron Paul. If PPA has backed Ron Paul I stand corrected, but I have been to there page many times and see nothing that ask members to support Ron Paul through donations or votes.

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It's not manipulative. We want them to write because they support our position. PPA doesn't endorse political candidates, so it cannot endorse Ron Paul. My thread on the Ron Paul forum is completely above board. Did you read it?

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Yes, I did along with seeing that huge pic of Paul and PPA. but you failed to metion that the PPA does not support Paul.I am sure this was just an over sight on your part and that you plan to post later that while you hope RP people write all their congressmen about the ban on poker the PPA refuses to be involved with the Ron Paul movement.

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If we are not willing to put our vote and money behind the candidate that best represents our view on this issue than what exactly is the point? I find the PPA a dysfunctional organization.

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I have lost respect for you on that one. Has nothing to do with not doing what i want. Has to do with them collectiing donations to take trips to Washington which accomlish nothing, because they have no votes or money to back it up

Another "the PPA didn't do what I wanted...therefore they are dysfunctional" post.

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[TheEngineer]

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Yes, I did along with seeing that huge pic of Paul and PPA. but you failed to metion that the PPA does not support Paul.I am sure this was just an over sight on your part and that you plan to post later that while you hope RP people write all their congressmen about the ban on poker the PPA refuses to be involved with the Ron Paul movement.

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No. I mentioned it. Yesterday. Please read the whole thread before casting accusions.

The PPA isn't "refusing" to get involved. It's not a 527 organization. PPA lobbies for positions, but doesn't endorse candidates. It cannot.

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Nor do I see a plea for members to back Paul’s election.

Not sure, what PPA’s stance is on backing political candidates, but it seems they are trying to stay neutral in the whole thing.

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The PPA is a 501(c)(3) corp. and is not allowed to promote a specific candidate, only issues.

You hve them confused with a 501(c)(4) or a 527, I believe it is, that can and does promote specific candidates.

obg

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If we are not willing to put our vote and money behind the candidate that best represents our view on this issue than what exactly is the point? I find the PPA a dysfunctional organization.

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Another "the PPA didn't do what I wanted...therefore they are dysfunctional" post.

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I have lost respect for you on that one. Has nothing to do with not doing what i want. Has to do with them collectiing donations to take trips to Washington which accomlish nothing, because they have no votes or money to back it up

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I lost the respect of the newbie poster. Oh, the horrors.

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gamblerNC1,
FWIW, I'm not affiliated with the PPA in any way, I just happen to agree that the clause in the proposed Mass bill making online poker a felony is preposterous.

I can't see the manipulation in asking a group of motivated Ron Paul supporters to help prevent online poker from becoming a felony in Mass., when it is clear based on Ron Paul's positions his supporters would likely agree here.

I read through the thread on the Ron Paul site, and FWIW I didn't get the impression that the PPA was implying any promise of quid pro quo of financial or official support of their candidate in exchange for help. IMO this is simply a request for support from individuals who are apt to be like-minded on this issue.

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The mesage is two fold, not endorsing RP, read carefully.

1. Hannity marginalizes anyone who opposes his view, simply a dig.
2. Get the GOP to do as RP does, support individual choices and responsibility and get out of private lives if they want the GOP to return to power.

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That and we need to blast Hannity at Fox news with this 'news' of the RP supporters big day since he always dismiss' them a kooks and phantoms.

hannity@foxnews.com

My letter to Hannity:

Ok, I know, you really doubt that Rep. Ron Paul has any 'REAL' supporters.

Please take note that his 'phantom' supporters just raised over FOUR MILLION dollars on Monday, Nov. 5, 2007, an amount only ever exceeded by Kerry the day he won the democratic nomination.

No general primary candidate in history has ever raised that much in one day.

The amazing part, Paul had nothing to do with it, it was his 'phantom' supporters who organized the one day event as a show of support.

The rest of the GOP needs to take note, many of the supporters (there are millions of them) are online poker skill gamers and the midnight passage of the UIGEA by the GOP is now rearing its ugly head and showing them (Ron Paul supports online freedom) what power they possess and that they can influence if a Republican wins the White House and if the GOP regains Congress.

Suppport Internet Freedom and well.......do not support ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in trade sanctions to the European Union in order to violate our word as given when we signed the WTO Trade agreements.



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The active promotion of Guy Fawkes day was hilarious, Ill give them that. But Hillary raised 6.8 mill in a day before, so she has the record. Quite a lot of new donors as well.

I still oppose hitching our wagon to the RP crowd, vehemently. There are some synergies and areas of agreement, but his supporters get way out of line with spam and annoyance. We want in the mainstream media and I can see news show producers going, oh poker players are just another ragtag bunch of RP nuts, our viewers dont care. Being associated with him and his crowd is a big negative PR wise that will be hard to reverse if you start now. Poker is American, poker is normal, poker is mainstream. Ron Paul does not fit with those statements.

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gamblerNC1,
FWIW, I'm not affiliated with the PPA in any way, I just happen to agree

I can't see the manipulation in asking a group of motivated Ron Paul supporters to help prevent online poker from becoming a felony in Mass., when it is clear based on Ron Paul's positions they likely agree this would be preposterous?

I read through the thread on the Ron Paul site, and FWIW I didn't get the impression that the PPA was implying any promise of quid pro quo of financial or official support of theie candidate in exchange for help. IMO this is simply a request for support from individuals who are apt to be like-minded on this issue.

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Thanks.

GamblerNC1 is just another ill-informed person with lots of opinions and no knowledge to back them up. He didn't even read my thread. He'd rather talk/write than listen/read.

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Yes, I did along with seeing that huge pic of Paul and PPA. but you failed to metion that the PPA does not support Paul.I am sure this was just an over sight on your part and that you plan to post later that while you hope RP people write all their congressmen about the ban on poker the PPA refuses to be involved with the Ron Paul movement.

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No. I mentioned it. Yesterday. Please read the whole thread before casting accusions.

The PPA isn't "refusing" to get involved. It's not a 527 organization. PPA lobbies for positions, but doesn't endorse candidates.

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I understand that, but my point if they are not going to back anyone with money or votes, why would anyone risk joining them and pissing off the right wingers who can cost them both money and votes. Gun owners have the NRA. Unions back candidates for favor. the Right wing well we know they can throw an election, but the PPA just says, plese forget the right wing family crowd. Tell them to keep their vote and back us, though we can not in anyway support you. That does not sound dysfunctional to you? Keep writing those letter that congressmen never read and going to Washington to hear thanks but no thanks. Noble work.