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Old 11-06-2007, 11:46 AM
fooz fooz is offline
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Default Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

Our maniac is 70/26/4.3 after 660 and goes to show down 24% of the time.

So this guy had been running over the table. He was playing so many hands preflop whether the pot was raised or not. And donking constantly and double barreling. If you raised his donks, he would often donk again on Turn or call you down with any piece. This made pot control very difficult, and besides that I was running cold: never connecting with the flop and having to fold constantly to his donks, since bluffs wouldn't work. He was very good at reading lines that came off as weak (or weak timing tells, like quick bets by tilters) and playing back at you and would get very aggressive in big pots.

My general question is, how do you play against someone like this? The only real pot I won was when he pushed on an unlikely paired board, and I bluff-raised him off his hand on the river.

Here's an example hand:
I think my hand could easily be good when he min-raises the flop, and I felt like I had to stop folding every time to his donks and min-raises/min-cr's. My instinct told me on the Turn to check-raise...all-in? ...but I didn't.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
fooz: $251
UTG+1: $252.75
CO: $280.30
Button: $855.60
SB: $212.20
BB: $338.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) fooz is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">fooz raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">fooz bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $30</font>, fooz calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($79, 2 players)
fooz checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $20</font>, fooz calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($119, 2 players)
fooz checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $86</font>, fooz calls.

Results:
Final pot: $291
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

Don't c-bet against him.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:05 PM
The Velour Fog The Velour Fog is offline
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

why are you only calling when you hit the golden card on the turn, lead or c/r him out of his seat.

in general c-bet a little less often, stack him when you hit, sometimes peel with overs/under pair etc.. this is not rocket science yo
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:17 PM
n2p n2p is offline
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

I would not be C-betting this flop. If he bets I may peel or fold. on the turn, I think you need to raise, especially since his bet is so weak, which makes me think he has a part of the board and is less likely on air.
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:28 PM
WTFitsPOB WTFitsPOB is offline
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

pretty much what the velour frog said
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

def c/r turn

i wouldnt cbet much air against this guy though, but i would cr alot of hands
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:05 PM
AAismyfriend AAismyfriend is offline
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Default Re: Struggling against thinking, observant maniac

C/R THE TURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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